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If Islam is true then Christians would lose out the same as those Muslims who were deemed not good enough for paradise. Islam is a works based religion and so I could convert to Islam and still be damned. I think it would be best to put my faith in the religion which (if true) garentees a place for me in heaven just for beleiving. If the situation was that it was a 50% possibility for Christianity to be true and 50% possibility for Islam to be true statistically speaking there would be more chance in me going to heaven for choosing Christianity as there could be only 25% chance that Islam will get me into heaven.

Bonhoffer, Christian Forums 25 Comments [4/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Bonhoffer

This is not a stupid comment either. Its merely saying that if one faith offers heaven simply for believing, and another demands faith and a certain level of good deeds, then is we suppose both faiths have an equal chance of being true; the better bet is for the religion with the easier access to Heaven!

1/13/2007 1:53:23 AM

Gwen

Stunning statistical analysis aside, I agree, we should support the faith that has us get eternal paradise without actually having to DO anything. I mean, helping people and crap? Who do I look like, Jesus?

But that percentage math... That's hard to argue with. Probably not for the reasons he'd want, but hard to argue with nonetheless.

1/13/2007 3:12:44 AM

CousinTed

I think this post is fundie because of the pure selfishness of the reasoning. This person isn't interested in finding answers, he's simply interested in going to paradise.

1/13/2007 3:57:16 AM

Patches

In short, it doesn't matter what's true, the ease in which I am rewarded is all that matters.

1/13/2007 5:41:42 AM

retrow

Damn, they have bookies for everything. But this bookie kinda sucks. If he wants to play the probability game, it would be best for him to pay lip service to every religion. And just to be sure, blow yourself up so that you may also be eligible for those 72 virgins.

1/13/2007 6:49:01 AM

BurntBush

Are you French?

1/13/2007 1:49:12 PM

David D.G.

Your amazing statistical insight assumes two whopping unspoken premises:

(1) These are the only two religions in the world.

(2) At least one of them is correct.

Since neither of these premises is provably true, the entire argument is just so much mathematical vapor.


~David D.G.

1/13/2007 5:35:13 PM

Zankou

MATH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

5/24/2008 10:44:39 PM

Timon

So, you aren't a baptist or any other Calvinist denomination where you have a much lower chance of going to heaven despite following all the rules, believing in Jesus and doing good things.

3/12/2009 2:04:43 PM

Equalist

Admit it, you're too much of a lazy, selfish bastard to do good works, so you want to be rewarded for doing nothing.

10/17/2009 9:40:17 PM

JohnTheAtheist

Actually your chances are 0% either way.

10/17/2009 9:42:16 PM

Robespierre

Because you would never want to accidentally behave well, right?

By the way, how can you have faith in something you KNOW to be uncertain, at best?

12/20/2011 10:24:59 PM



oh dear, Pascal's wager again.

what if Bumba , or Odin is the true God ?


12/21/2011 9:14:39 AM

Crimson Lizard

Gotta love that superior Christian morality!

8/22/2012 7:26:02 AM

Sasha

Betting your immortal soul on statistics...I don't think you've grasped this whole "faith" concept yet.

8/22/2012 10:08:16 AM

Dr.Shrinker

Unfortunately, Calvin was right: the decision of who is saved and who is damned was made at the beginning of time, irrespective of human desire or effort. Therefore the possibility of being saved by becoming a Christian, Muslim or otherwise is 0%.

Thanks for playing.

8/22/2012 11:58:06 AM

Canadiest

"just for beleiving."

The core, and ultimately the only requirement to be a fundie. Not only that, the doctrine of this sect.

It means works (being a provider, charity and compassion) means NOTHING to them. It also means laws of the land mean nothing to them, all they have to do is believe.


8/23/2012 12:14:20 PM

Blue the Thief

So Christianity is the lazy religion?

8/24/2012 8:27:40 AM

Swede

But, as there are thousands of religion, there is less than 0.1% chance that you are "correct" in your choice.

I bet whatever god is up there (if any) would just LOVE the ones who handled their "beleif" as a bet...
If I was a god, I'd rather accept those who were genuine in their belief of another deity, than the ones who just sucked up to me to get a reward.

8/24/2012 8:45:01 AM

Justanotheratheist

Even Pascal would get a headache trying to work that one out.

8/24/2012 8:57:01 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Sorry dipshit, Moslems worship the same bullshit 'god' of Abraham as the rest of you stupid morons.

12/2/2013 6:10:02 AM



They can't all be right....they can, however, all be wrong.

12/2/2013 6:45:03 AM

rubber chicken

"I can't be fucked to do good works" award ?

12/2/2013 8:19:59 AM

Anon-e-moose

"If Islam is true then Christians would lose out the same as those Muslims who were deemed not good enough for paradise. Islam is a works based religion and so I could convert to Islam and still be damned."

James 2:14-26.

James 2:17 (KJV): 'Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.'

Enjoy your mega-paradox, Bumhuffer.

'Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.'

-Marcus Aurelius

Seems this ancient Roman won the bet before Pascal had even been born to make his 'Wager'...! [/hyper-smartarse]

Boy, are you fucked! [/Pascal's Wager] >:D

12/2/2013 8:39:45 AM



In short, you want to get Salvation the easier the better. Like everything else in life, I guess.

1/5/2014 5:13:49 AM
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