Quote# 70977

A few years back, when I was in the US Congress, I took the Army to task for permitting the practice of Wicca on its bases, including at Ft. Hood in Texas. After speaking with a number of officers and military leaders, and meeting with several former military who adhere to the practice of Wicca, I was convinced that a belief in or practice of witchcraft, was not necessarily incompatible with the good order and discipline essential to a military lifestyle. However, one might legitimately wonder just how far such tolerance should extend.

The US Air Force, at no less a prestigious location than the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, has taken the notion of religious tolerance to a new level, in creating an outdoor worship area for pagans. The site, apparently sacred to pagans, consists of an inner and an outer circle of large stones. I’m sorry, but this truly is hilarious. Don’t get me wrong, if someone “has little or no religion and delights in sensual pleasures and material goods,” which is the definition of a “pagan,” then I say live and let live.

But I have to tell you, if I were in the Air Force and was being commanded by an officer who practices hedonism as a religion (another part of the definition of “pagan”), and who dances around a circle of stones in the woods carrying a lighted candle, I would be more than a little worried about following him into battle.

Bob Barr, The Barr Code 61 Comments [2/23/2010 7:29:15 AM]
Fundie Index: 51
Submitted By: The L

Username  (Login)
Comment  (Text formatting help) 

1 2 3 | bottom


Paganism =/= Wicca.

That's all that needs to be said.

2/23/2010 10:33:09 AM


Instead of worrying about Wiccans in the US military, I'd be more worried about the lack of religious diversity. Some have already expressed the concern that the military is becoming increasingly fundamentalist Christian, conservative and southern. It's not a good idea for a democracy to put all its deadly weapons in the hands of only one segment of society.

2/23/2010 10:46:54 AM


Because cramming hundreds of people into one building where they sit down, stand up, kneel, sit down, stand up, sit down, kneel, eat some dead guy, (drink him, too) talk to the ceiling, and wave your hands around is perfectly normal.

2/23/2010 10:49:39 AM


That's funny, because I'd be just as concerned about a Christian commander who keeps going on about Noahs ark or six day creations or 6000 year old Earth fairy tales. And that shit's promoted from upper levels

2/23/2010 10:59:56 AM


Frank Burns, meet Hawkeye and Trapper. I'm sure you'll get along

2/23/2010 11:02:12 AM


The site, apparently sacred to pagans, consists of an inner and an outer circle of large stones. I’m sorry, but this truly is hilarious.

Gotta love the religious tolerance by a former Congressman who's been proven time and again to be a hypocrite...not.

2/23/2010 11:07:21 AM

Doubting Thomas

How is it any worse from Catholics carrying a lighted candle up the aisle of a church toward a piece of wood with a dead guy nailed to it, and then symbolically eating this dead guy's flesh and drinking his blood?

Since Bob Barr was the Libertarian candidate for president in 2008, I'm now having doubts about joining the Libertarian Party. I thought libertarianism was all about the right of everyone to live how they please as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others (as per the Libertarian Party charter), but it would appear that there are bigots in every political party.

2/23/2010 11:18:32 AM


The Barr Code is the Number of the Beast.

2/23/2010 11:36:17 AM

I read about the afterlife

"Consists of an inner and outer circle of large stones. I'm sorry, but this truly is hilarious."

Yeah! It's almost as funny as people who wear a torture device around their necks and cry out loud, asking the air for advice!

2/23/2010 11:38:52 AM


Also makes you wonder about American camps as many are circular and the roads curbed with stones

2/23/2010 11:43:31 AM


If you were in the Air Force and were being commanded by a Pagan officer you would still follow their orders. Otherwise the stockade is always more than willing to accommodate you.

2/23/2010 12:05:11 PM

Don’t get me wrong, if someone “has little or no religion and delights in sensual pleasures and material goods,” which is the definition of a “pagan,” then I say live and let live.

Bob must have a different dictionary than I do.

2/23/2010 12:16:56 PM


This is sad; Bob Barr here looks like he's actually making an attempt at being a civil, respectable person, here. He's just misinformed by stereotypes and old-fashioned prejudices.

2/23/2010 12:24:24 PM

Zap said:

Paganism =/= Wicca.

That's all that needs to be said.

You fail there. Wicca is a form of paganism. Not all pagans though are wiccan.

2/23/2010 12:36:19 PM

Concerned Brit

Personally, I'd be more concerned following someone into battle who believed in his heart of hearts that should he breath his last that day he would be transported to paradise, where his every want and desire would be fulfilled.
It's promises like that which can convince a man to charge headlong on a horse into the sights of enemy artillery or to strap on an explosive waistcoat and detonate himself outside a police station...

2/23/2010 1:03:21 PM


This guy's understanding of Wicca is about as accurate as saying "Christians believe that Moses died for their sins in the Red Sea."

2/23/2010 1:04:23 PM

Old Viking

You don't know what Wicca is, and you don't know what hedonism is. All you know is that God wants to worshiped indoors by sour-faced people.

2/23/2010 1:12:36 PM

Rumpshaker slim

Hedonism is a religion?

Is Hugh Hefner their pope?

2/23/2010 1:13:32 PM


Because Wicca is so commonly practiced, especially in Texas, right?

2/23/2010 1:25:51 PM

Professor M

@ Doubting Thomas --

In practice, the Libertarian Party holds the "property is the only right" model of liberty. Sure, no entity which calls itself "the government" will be doing much of anything but enforcing contracts -- but the LP supports eliminating worker-safety laws, restrictions on employer intrusion into worker privacy, anti-discrimination laws of all sorts, limits on acceptable content of contracts, and so on. It gets to the point where employers and property owners become de facto authoritarian governments on any property they control.

2/23/2010 1:25:52 PM

Dancing around a circle of stones?

Bet they get more exercise in their faith.

2/23/2010 2:57:59 PM


Paganism does not work that way.

2/23/2010 3:41:52 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr





Yeah, no pagans led anyone into battle successfully, never ever!

2/23/2010 5:15:05 PM


Since Bob Barr has never followed ANYONE into battle, I don't see what he's so worried about

2/23/2010 10:15:00 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

Christians look just as ridiculous to us atheists, jackass. Bob Barr just keeps on delivering the fail.

2/24/2010 3:49:02 AM

1 2 3 | top: comments page