Quote# 70984

(on Bob Barr not wanting Pagans in the military)

I first heard of this a few weeks ago from someone actually IN the military. His concern was exactly as you say, and it seems that the grest majority of those he has contact with in the military agree. Based on that, I am inclined to think that this effort may be undermining our best military efforts and I don’t think that the military is a good place for division, not for the military itself, and not for the individuals within it. These young men and women signed up as a part of a military entity of “One Nation Under God” and I believe it reasonable that they should expect that special interests NOT under God, would be discouraged, or at the least not encouraged.

DRB, AJC 47 Comments [2/23/2010 5:40:55 PM]
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The L

There was no division until fundies started stirring up shit--only diversity and tolerance.

2/23/2010 5:43:08 PM


The military is sworn to uphold the Constitution and not the Bible.

2/23/2010 5:59:08 PM

Somehow I thought this country was called the United States of America and not "One Nation Under God"

2/23/2010 6:06:06 PM


"Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954. The US military managed to survive without it for over 175 years. The last thing we want is a bunch of Christian religious nuts walking around with military weapons. If someone has a problem, we should get rid of them, not the Wiccans.

2/23/2010 6:07:02 PM


Speaking as someone who actually is in the military, I have no problem with anyone regardless of their religion serving alongside me. If they do their job, aren't assholes, then they're fine.

2/23/2010 6:10:48 PM

Arctic Knight

As an active duty meber of the U.S. military for the past 18 years, who happens to be an atheist, I only have one thing to say to that comment, "BULLSHIT!"

I signed up to serve my country, not anyone's god(s). I have known Wiccans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, gay, straight, bi, black, white, Asian, men, women, etc. all serving beside me. While we did sign away our life to go into combat when directed and to follow orders, we NEVER signed away our opinion, religious beliefs (or lack thereof), cultural or ethnic identity, or anything that makes us unique individuals (although, sadly, gays and bis still sign away their right to be open about their orientation). Everyone serving in the military has the right to worship whichever god they beleive in and worship in any way that does not break the law.

2/23/2010 6:14:13 PM


Maybe if we only let homophobic fundamentalists in the military we won't have to hear their bullshit anymore.

2/23/2010 6:17:15 PM


So you have to be Christian to serve in the army? WTF??

2/23/2010 6:18:42 PM

I remember my father telling me about one Wiccan fella in boot camp back when he was a drill sergeant. Did he care about the guy's religion? No. The only problem came about when the guy claimed that bathing with soap was somehow against his religion and was told to conform to basic hygiene standards.

2/23/2010 6:21:52 PM


First of all, we are not 'one nation under god" (that was added in the '50s). Second, define "god". This country was founded on religious freedom. That means anyone is free to envision god however he/she wants, or not at all. Furthermore, Pagans believe in "god"; just not the judeo-christian-islamic god. Lastly, in theory, the military is what guarantees said right. So, get the fuck over it - we are not all christians.

2/23/2010 6:27:15 PM


*Gasp!* People with different beliefs!

2/23/2010 6:43:20 PM

The old "I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend" routine don't work.

2/23/2010 6:57:35 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

Bob Barr is still alive?

2/23/2010 7:13:04 PM

Doubting Thomas

The military belongs to the secular government and people of the United States. It's not God's army, and members of the military who do not practice Christianity should have the right to practice their religion also.

In fact, the military is presently overrun with fundamentalist Christians, and was about 20 years ago when I was in.

2/23/2010 7:17:30 PM


see, this is why that idiotic "under god" needs to be taken out, and the pledge restored to its original version.

2/23/2010 7:23:13 PM


Looking at American history, the army seemed a hell of a lot more efficient when it was "One nation indivisible".

Just sayin...

2/23/2010 7:34:46 PM


"Congress shall..." - oh, what's the point.

2/23/2010 7:49:00 PM


These young men and women signed up as a part of a military entity of “One Nation Under God” and I believe it reasonable that they should expect that special interests NOT under God, would be discouraged, or at the least not encouraged.

And this is exactly why I completely support those that want to remove "under god" from the pledge of allegiance and "in god we trust" from our money. The pledge and money themselves don't bother me so much but it's the smug attitude of Christians because of it that does. Just because they got their way a couple times (despite the nation's Constitution) now they think they own the place. Fundies: give 'em an inch and they'll take a nation.

2/23/2010 9:44:40 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Wow, that was so Joe McCarthy.

2/23/2010 9:46:40 PM


If you mean we should send only fundy Christians to the front lines to die for our country, I might not argue too much.

2/23/2010 9:46:47 PM


if it's "one nation under god" why did the Major who swore in my brother say that the "so help me god" part of the little speach they had to repeat was optional?

2/23/2010 10:53:00 PM


Military doesn't work that way!

2/23/2010 11:26:48 PM


The also signed up as a part of a military entity of one nation that unanimously ratified the Treaty of Tripoli. Sux2bu, bitch.

2/24/2010 12:27:20 AM

Oh for fuck's sake.

2/24/2010 1:44:54 AM


But the claptrap of "Under God" was added in in 1954 to smoke out commies. The US was never founded as a religious country, but a secular one, you dipshit.

2/24/2010 1:59:04 AM

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