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Just my thoughts on a subject.

If we consider abortion to be morally wrong on the level of murder, then it logically extends that we ought to punish the mother if she was complicit in the abortion process.

I got to thinking how law enforcement officials could prove beyong a reasonable doubt that an abortion had taken place, and the only conclusion I could come to is that women should be mandated to recieve maybe quarterly examinations of their uterus, under threat of jail if they refuse. Or maybe make pregnant women register and then if they "miscarry" then an exam will be ordered.

Women who have been found to have undergone abortion should be held as accomplices to murder, maybe conspirators as well, and then punished according to our preexisting laws on the subject.

If I really feel abortion is murder, then it necessarily follows that the people responsible for the murder ought to be punished. Retributive punishment will deter and influence women away from baby-producing activities, and hopefully reduce the amount of abortions.

Phronesis, Christian Forums 95 Comments [2/25/2010 8:23:07 AM]
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ThinkingManNeil

Would it also follow that you'd be held criminally liable for killing millions of sperm every time a misogynistic, bigoted, hypocritical dimwit like you jacks off in the bathroom? Would you be willing to submit to having CCTV's installed there to make sure you're a good little christofascist sheep?

2/25/2010 1:08:02 PM

Mister Spak

How about we stick a webcam up there? That way we can also see if she's fornicating without your permission and jail her for that too.

2/25/2010 1:12:13 PM



If I really feel abortion is murder, then it necessarily follows that the people responsible for the murder ought to be punished.

Because it's all about you, right jackass?

2/25/2010 1:23:39 PM

Old Viking

Sounds a trifle cumbersome.

2/25/2010 2:00:41 PM

breakerslion

He used the word "if". Twice.

Troll. If not a troll, then my thoughts on the subject are that Phronesis needs a mental douche.

2/25/2010 2:25:25 PM

Berny

I have a better idea.
Why don't all of you retarded idiots take your "absolute morality". fold it until it's all sharp corners, and shove it up your asses?
Society doesn't consider abortion murder, therefore your argument is baseless. What you would advocate would turn women into cattle. Would you also institute virginity checks for young women?
Fucking assholes.

2/25/2010 2:35:10 PM



If we consider abortion to be morally wrong on the level of murder...

And here's the crux of the disagreement: we do not all consider abortion to be morally wrong or murder.

...we ought to punish the mother if she was complicit in the abortion process.

Except:
1) Abortion is legal per Roe v. Wade so what crime would the mother be charged with?
2) It takes two to tango so the father gets off scott free?! That doesn't seem fair.
3) Miscarriages happen more often than intentional abortion. Would the mother be guilty since her body decided not to carry the fetus to full term?

...women should be mandated to recieve maybe quarterly examinations of their uterus...make pregnant women register and then if they "miscarry" then an exam will be ordered.

This is far beyond creepy. This is you'll-never-date-another-woman-again kinda creepy. This is women-are-nothing-more-than-walking-incubators kinda creepy.

If I really feel abortion is murder...

...then it's your opinion only. Come back when you successfully get R v. W repealed and then we'll talk.

2/25/2010 2:38:38 PM

elphada

Imbecile.

2/25/2010 2:39:54 PM

Jamaican Castle

"SurfinSeaOtter

Christianity... violating the Constitution since 1776"

Point of interest, the Constitution didn't exist in 1776. You're looking for 1787.

(Mind you, if anyone could violate the Constitution before it was ratified, it'd be the fundies...)

2/25/2010 3:08:52 PM



I guess I'm lucky I had my life-saving hysterectomy five years ago, before this chucklehead decides to make that illegal, too.

I propose monthly colonoscopies for all fundies to make sure there's no damage from having their heads jammed so far up their asses.

2/25/2010 3:15:32 PM

macavitykitsune

This guy is NOT a poe. NOT A POE.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/02/19/utah-passes-bill-that-charges-women-for-illegal-abortion-or-miscarriage

This shit is closer than we think, and we need to be aware of it.

2/25/2010 3:27:52 PM

Smilodon

But you would be creating a dictatorship, doesn't that bother you?

2/25/2010 3:59:02 PM

LDM

And who's going to pay for all that?

2/25/2010 4:31:02 PM

Sceptre

Oh, hi, Margaret Atwood would like a word with you.

2/25/2010 4:55:45 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

Good thing your THOUGHTS will never be a REALITY. And please... by all means keep them to yourself you FASCIST PIG. You disgust me.

2/25/2010 5:25:53 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

Swede: It takes two to tango, you can't have "baby-producing activities" without there being at least one woman and one man present.

ME: Not anymore! We have science and technology that can do it now without needing a man to put his penis inside a womans vagina remember? HA HA! TAKE THAT PHRONESIS! YOUR GOD AND HIS WANTS FOR MALE/FEMALE PHYSICAL INTIMACY IS NOW OBSOLETE AND UNNECESSARY.

It seems people are now free to have sex all they want simply because IT FEELS GOOD. And not to just procreate. UH OH.
And theres NO WAY anyone is getting their hands on my uterus without MY PERMISSION. ITS MY FUCKING BODY. MY PRIVACY. ASSHOLE.

2/25/2010 5:32:55 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

Doubting Thomas: Why don't you fundies all just leave and go start your own country like you want? Then you could just pass laws making any sex outside of marriage illegal, and you could be just like the theocracies in the Middle East.

Because then we would just be faced with another war to deal with... US VS THEM. OUR COUNTRY AND BELIEFS VS THEIRS. It would be all out chaos. Id rather have them stay here in the US where they are all subject to the same laws we are and thus their insanity and idiocy can remain closely watched and kept under control. XD

2/25/2010 5:36:42 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

I'd rather go to jail than have the government basically rape me in order to prove I hadn't had an abortion. I hope this is a poe.

2/25/2010 5:51:43 PM

MPW

Sometimes we just need to let them talk. Then our work is done for us.

2/25/2010 7:02:38 PM

JohnTheAtheist

If you think abortion is murder because god has given a soul at conception provide some fucking evidence that that is the case. Otherwise STFU. We do not legislate on your feelings, we legislate on reality.

2/25/2010 7:07:39 PM

Hive

"…the only conclusion I could come to is that women should be mandated to recieve maybe quarterly examinations of their uterus…"

I also suggest mandated examinations of your penis. You know, to see if you've been using it recently.

(If this is a poe, then nevermind.)

2/25/2010 7:11:31 PM

myheadhurts

thank you again for strengthening my pro-choice stance

2/25/2010 10:21:28 PM

TB Tabby

If you're going to do that, I suggest mandated government support of single mothers.

2/25/2010 10:29:38 PM



Following your stupid logic, every miscarriage should be manslaughter, eh?

2/26/2010 1:46:03 AM

nutbunny

Successful fertilisation via rape might be a thorn in this plan. And it should only count as murder if it is sentient, which it is not.

2/26/2010 2:29:15 AM
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