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Is the scientific method real?

How can something use it's own process to prove it's own process?
How can science prove logic?Or mathematics?
At least I can feel God, But I'm starting not to believe in this whole science thing. Can anyone prove these things to me

Cody, Yahoo Answers 76 Comments [2/25/2010 3:41:38 PM]
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Anna Ghislaine

I seem to remember something on telly (it might even have been QI) mentioning a man who proved conclusively that mathematics must be true. They showed a huge equation that proved that 1 + 1 definitely equals 2. Is this ringing any bells for anyone else? I'm trying to think of the man's name but can't.

2/26/2010 5:52:27 AM

David B.

"Is the scientific method real?"

Yes. There is a (loosely) defined scientific method, so it is in fact real.

I believe what you meant was "is the scientific method valid?"

2/26/2010 6:23:37 AM

Mister Spak

Science doesn't work that way.
Logic doesn't work that way
Mathmatics doesn't work that way.
Your mythology doesn't work at all.

2/26/2010 6:30:12 AM

David B.

@Anna:

Russel and Whitehead did so in "Principia Mathematica". It took them till the middle of the 2nd volume (and about a decade) to derive 1+1=2 from propositional logic. Underneath their proof they wrote "the above proposition is occasionally useful."

Class.

2/26/2010 6:30:13 AM

Dharmabum

No, Cody, no one can prove these things to you ... because you are too fucking stupid.

2/26/2010 7:23:21 AM

LOLWUT

Does your computer work? Yes, and the Internet, too. I bet you can watch satellite TV in your living room, and store food in the fridge. If you get sick, there are surgical and medical treatments that will help you out.

Yeah, science is bullshit.

2/26/2010 7:35:18 AM

David B.

@LOLWUT:

Ah yes, but it's actually God that is responsible for all that you see? He has a host of little email cherubs on hand to deliver your messages and the dreaded angel of chill visits each and every icebox to keep the temperature down.

He only makes it look like an objective science is at work because he's a douche mysterious 'n' stuff.

2/26/2010 8:49:45 AM

Big Jilm

You "feel" god? Talk about false attribution error. You should rename yourself, "Placebo"

2/26/2010 8:52:20 AM

I read about the afterlife

"But I'm starting not to believe in this whole science thing. Can anyone prove these thigns to me"

What?

No.

This isn't right.

WHAT IS HE GOING TO PROVE IT WITH!?!

2/26/2010 9:23:09 AM



Science IS the process by which things are proven. That's the definition of science.
What you said is like saying "How can religion possibly tell us about God?"

2/26/2010 9:42:13 AM

Papabear

"At least I can feel God"

God says not to touch him there.

2/26/2010 9:57:01 AM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

How can something use it's own process to prove it's own process?
How can the Bible prove God?Or miracles?
At least I can see, hear, and touch SCIENCE, But I'm starting not to believe in this whole God/religion thing. Can anyone prove these things to me??

FIXED.


2/26/2010 4:37:39 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

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ThinkingManNeil

Religious belief is an act of self persuasion in the absence of evidence; self persuasion that leads to self delusion and the inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality, embracing willful ignorance and stupidity as virtues, surrendering critical thinking and self-determination to the control of others with suspect, manipulative agendas, and vilifying progress, knowledge, and intellect in the process. Religious faith, with no verifiable basis in reality, is an insidious mental illness that threatens the survival of our civilization and our species.

THINKINGMANNEIL WINS THE THREAD!!! :D

But replace "religious belief" with "FUNDY RELIGIOUS BELIEF" because I am a Wiccan/Agnostic and have a general Wiccan religious outlook although I do believe in God... Im just not as insane as well over half these stupid bible thumping idiots are and even I can accept logic, deductive reasoning, scientific method, and cause and effect. So... yeah not all religious people are delusional... what I do works for me and doesnt harm others...

*gives us both a cookie* :D

2/26/2010 4:53:24 PM

Bahamut2000X

What's sad is this is the same bullshit my philosophy teacher spouts (not the god part though, the science part).

I think this is some new age philosopher attacks on science 'cause they didn't get it in school and rather than admit their own ignorance they say it's not real. I've seen so many dumb asses spouting this same nonsense of late.

2/26/2010 9:21:04 PM

Thoth

You feel god? Would god please use the doll to show the courtroom where he feels you? this could explain why the world is so fucked up.

2/27/2010 2:10:30 AM

moose

"but I am starting not to believe in this whole science thing. Can anyone prove these things to me"

Gee. Cody. I dunno. However, I would guess that you have flicked a light switch, made coffee, seen a car going down a road. Do you just think those things happen magically by the hand or gawd?

2/27/2010 10:48:37 PM

John_in_Oz

How can something use it's own process to prove it's own process?
Once you define what you mean by proof, you'll head back onto the right track again.

2/28/2010 12:13:45 AM

starnerd

How can something use it's own process to prove it's own process?
Fundies do that with the Bible all the time.

2/28/2010 12:48:18 AM

Professor M

Science doesn't actually rely on the "truth" of logic and mathematics. (Or, more specifically, science doesn't rely on an absolute correspondence between synthetic formal systems such as logic and mathematics and phenomena such as language, thought, society, or the world.) All science tries to do is develop models which fit the observed world more and more closely and which make more and more useful and precise predictions. Mathematics and logic have been quite useful to this end (and I'd be quite surprised if that were to change), but if a better alternative is found, then science will eventually adopt that alternative. Fundie religion, it should be noted, doesn't fit the needs of science anywhere near as well as logic and mathematics do, even though fundie religion has the advantage of being an adaptive rather than a formal system.

2/28/2010 1:30:26 AM

Secondlongest

This person has gone beyond willful ignorance. He is at the point where he is completely mentally incapable of thinking without immediately going "God did it hur hur hurhurrrrrrrrr" And refusing to accept any other evidence.

3/17/2010 7:27:58 PM

Abdul Alhazred

Well, actually she (he?) has a truly valid point there (besides the last line of course).

"Scientific method is the only way to make scientific results which leaves only scientific experience as a guideline to develop scientific methods."

This circular argument omnipresent in scientific theory was (I think) first challenged by a guy called Paul Feyerabend, a philosopher on the same level of influence as Thomas Kuhn, but people prefer to cite Kuhn because he is more convenient in his thoughts.

Not fundie I'd say, I understand cody's statement as a cry for education.

3/17/2010 8:53:07 PM

yesimahuman

Trust me, when the gravitational potential energy of a 50 kg anvil three meters above your head is transferred into kinetic energy, and when the now energized anvil does work on your cranium, you will, for an instant, know that xkcd was right.
SCIENCE WORKS, BITCHES.

4/11/2010 11:15:45 AM

v200

Someone didn't pass 4th grade science.

7/2/2011 10:43:59 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Stop using computers.

9/26/2013 4:54:08 AM

JW

"At least I can feel God"
They have a cream for that.

9/26/2013 5:35:03 AM
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