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Contrary to popular belief: CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PAGAN HOLIDAY!


You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception. So Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so, now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25

Cynical_beyond_belief, Y! answers 77 Comments [2/25/2010 8:55:01 PM]
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Kat

This is Cynical_beyond_belief's page here.

What do you make of it along with this statement FSTDT.com?

2/25/2010 8:59:06 PM

Smilodon

Show me the calculations you did to reach this conclusion. You don't have any? I can't believe you then.

2/25/2010 9:01:55 PM



Nope. There are some records from when the Romans were out conquering the known world that date before Christianity that suggest that several pagan groups were celebrating various midwinter festivals. And guess what? Midwinter is right around December 25.

2/25/2010 9:02:46 PM

louislois

Odd that Jesus' birthday falls on the same day as the more ancient pagan feast of Winter Solstice....


2/25/2010 9:03:33 PM

fromdownunder

Easter is a movable feast, and does not occur during the same time every year.

There is literally no set date for Good Friday, so you are talking out of your arse.

2/25/2010 9:05:52 PM

Helena

To calculate Easter in the year he died, you;d have to know the year he died, so that could be a bit off. Jan. 6 wasn't the date of his birth anyway, but of his bris (also when the magicians showed up).

Dec. 25 was certainly chosen by Constanius II because it coincided with the Sautnalia. Before that Every Church celebrated Christmas on whatever day it felt like.

But what is really interesting is 'with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff.' Clear evidence he is just making it up.

2/25/2010 9:10:56 PM

Helena

To calculate Easter in the year he died, you;d have to know the year he died, so that could be a bit off. Jan. 6 wasn't the date of his birth anyway, but of his bris (also when the magicians showed up).

Dec. 25 was certainly chosen by Constanius II because it coincided with the Sautnalia. Before that Every Church celebrated Christmas on whatever day it felt like.

But what is really interesting is 'with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff.' Clear evidence he is just making it up.

2/25/2010 9:11:57 PM

Tyler

I can pull shit out of my ass too!

2/25/2010 9:12:35 PM

Blasphemina

LOL

cute

retarded, but cute

2/25/2010 9:17:03 PM

Wehpudicabok

Oh wow. This is wrong all over.

"Contrary to popular belief: CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PAGAN HOLIDAY!"

Yes it was. It was called Saturnalia; thank you Wikipedia and Sheldon Cooper. (I need better sources for my fundie-bashing...)

"You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception."

Jesus was a New Testament figure. Also, are we supposed to believe that God planned all their deaths to coincide with their conceptions? This sounds neither Biblical nor accurate.

"So Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so, now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25"

Good Friday is in April. Counting back 9 months from that is July. You need help with either math or the calendar.

Edited for clarity.

Edit again: Wait a minute, your math actually checks out. If he were born in January (our calendar), then count 9 months forward from that and he was conceived in April, when he died. So really the only thing wrong with your math was the word "backward"--you meant count forward. My other criticisms still stand though.

2/25/2010 9:17:48 PM

Zoo

Really? That's what you really think? I'm not even sure you know what conception means, let alone where you got all that other stuff.

2/25/2010 10:06:20 PM

Frogflayer

Apart from being wrong on all counts it amuses me that Good Friday (a day so holy the pubs can't open here) is calculated based on the first full moon after the equinox. The most important day in their calander and it flops around like a fish in a bucket.

2/25/2010 10:10:41 PM

myheadhurts

That would be interesting if you could actually back it up.

2/25/2010 10:11:26 PM

oop

"You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception."

I didn't know that God was superstitious.

2/25/2010 10:37:51 PM

Panz

"o Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so"
"Or so" meaning "give or take 4 months"?

Your math sucks youngling.
Failed you have, into exile you must

2/25/2010 10:48:03 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Okay, let's apply your math.

Tradition holds that Jesus was born in December, so...

December=12
12-9=3
3=March

The problem, of course, is that this tradition is in no way tied to the actual Bible, since the Bible makes no mention of the season of Jesus's birth or the date, AND the Bible makes no mention of this phenomenon of prophets dying on an anniversary of their conception. In short, you're full of shit.

Contrary to your claims, Christmas has been shown beyond a reasonable doubt to be a re-upholstered Saturnalia.

2/25/2010 11:23:53 PM

Sisyphus

Thinking is not your strong suit is it dear? Oh well, never mind have a cup of tea.

2/25/2010 11:29:35 PM

Nowonmai

Massive Fail!

Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th. The new religion, aka Christianity, took over Pagan holiday date as a method to rope in new converts.

2/25/2010 11:46:54 PM



First Council of Nicaea. A bunch of guys decide when to celebrate Easter. So he bases his calculations from this..... Fail.

2/25/2010 11:52:55 PM

WMDKitty

Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that....

2/25/2010 11:55:51 PM

Sandwich Board

"...there is a trend..."

What's your sample size? Coefficient of correlation?

2/26/2010 12:12:32 AM

Thrutch

Dies Natalis Sol Invictus
Mummers Day in Cornwall
Daygan for Zoroastrians
Final Feast of Brumalia (Bacchus)
Yule for Germanics

Not Pagan at all

2/26/2010 12:35:59 AM

Giveitaday

Contrary to popular belief:

Because you say so, or because you have evidence to present? I'm gonna go with opinion 1.

CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PAGAN HOLIDAY!

Except that it is a pagan holiday. There is ample evidence to show that one pagan holiday or another was celebrated around the end of december long before the ever was such a thing as christianity. If not such holiday existed before christianity then why were early christian instructed not to decorate a tree as the pagans do?

You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception

And you know this how? It's not as if the bible is replete with the dates of the old testament prophets conceptions, births, or deaths. More over there is little or any information in the OT that you can pinpoin to a certain year for you to even begin to make those types of calculations. Modern medicine can't even pinpoint an exact date of conception, so how the fuck do you expect people to believe you can do that with people long dead if not completely fictional?

So Jesus died on Good Friday

You have yet to establish If he ever lived in the first place, much less the exact day of his death.

not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so,

Pregnancies do not last 9 months exactly, I have for kids, and all of them were born at least a week before the 9th month, with one almost three weeks before. You cannot determine the exact date of conception by subtracting 9 months from the birth date, It doesn't work like that.

now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25

The julian calender didn't differ by 12 days until 1900, long after the christmas was appropiated by the church. Moreover christmas is not said to celebrate the conception, but rather the birth of Jesus. Which also conveniantly coincide with the supposed birth of Mithras (by a virgin no less), Saturnalia, and Sol Invictus, Day of the Unconquered Sun, both of which constituted the majority of pagan religions in Rome around the time of the Roman Empire's adoption off christianity as the state religion.

If you want to nitpick, then yes, christmas is a christian holiday, but by and large it was appropiated from pagan cultures that assimilated into christianity and has not so much as a single shred of biblical basis. Pagan traditions like the Yul Log, and the christmas tree, and countless others were staples of pagan winter solstice holidays in different parts of the world which gradually overlapped and spread into the christmas traditions of today.



2/26/2010 1:33:27 AM

Mihangel apYrs

@ fromdownunder
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Easter is placed as the first Sunday following the first full moon following the Spring equinox; that smacks of astrology to me!!

(damn frogflayer got in first!!!!)

2/26/2010 1:33:37 AM

Mihangel apYrs

@ fromdownunder
worse
Easter is placed as the first Sunday following the first full moon following the Spring equinox; that smacks of astrology to me!!

2/26/2010 1:38:21 AM
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