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Contrary to popular belief: CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PAGAN HOLIDAY!


You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception. So Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so, now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25

Cynical_beyond_belief, Y! answers 77 Comments [2/25/2010 8:55:01 PM]
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If it's no poe, please, can you explain how a living person can die the day of their conception?. And which adjustments in the calendar are you speaking about?. Because the calendar IS TOTALLY ROMAN AND PAGAN. And, by the way, the Gospel doesn't mention the date of Jesus's execution, just that IT WAS A FRIDAY, sometime in Jew Easter. HMMMMM.

2/26/2010 1:40:20 AM



There is NO TREND in the OT of prophets dying at the day of their conception. Among other things, because the Bible is silent on both accounts of dates.

2/26/2010 1:43:11 AM

the dog

The "Christmas tree" in your lounge room is so forest spirits have somewhere warm and safe to rest during the coldest part of the year.

Is that just a tiny bit pagan ?

2/26/2010 2:30:23 AM

Katsuro

"Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so"

Ummm...but the date of good friday varies a lot from year to year. Not only that, but the reason it does so is because it's based on lunar cycles. You know why that is? Because Easter is a pagan holiday.

That's a lot of fail in such a seemingly simple statement.

2/26/2010 2:59:07 AM

aaa

Kid, i recommend you to open up a few books about the early christianity. That way, i won't have to waste your time on telling how retarded you are.

2/26/2010 4:02:20 AM

Canadia

This guy should be hired by Fox News.

He can spin a story better than anyone I've ever seen.

2/26/2010 5:43:16 AM

Marc

@#1126285


If it's no poe, please, can you explain how a living person can die the day of their conception?

I expect he meant date, not day. It's certainly possible that one could die on the anniversary of their conception, but as others of pointed out, even modern medicine can't point out the exact date of conception, so it would be difficult to prove that the day of death was the same date.

2/26/2010 5:44:50 AM

Mister Spak

Contrary to fundie belief THE BIBLE IS A FAIRY TALE!

2/26/2010 6:28:39 AM

Porky Pine

This doesn't even make sense.

2/26/2010 6:56:15 AM

TGRwulf

You do realize that Easter is on a different day every year, which every year changes the day of Good Friday right?

Also, what day Easter falls on is based on the Pagan lunar calendar, so BOTH Christmas AND Easter have Pagan roots moron.

2/26/2010 7:13:12 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Clearly ass facts.

2/26/2010 7:22:28 AM

gaijinlaw

Idon't see how we can refute his point. I mean, it's in ALL CAPS. Must be true.

2/26/2010 7:31:43 AM

Doubting Thomas

Where does it say that Old Testament prophets will die on the day of their conception? And what kind of a sick fuck is God to make people die on the day their mom & dad had sex?

Sounds like someone's reaching for answers.

Oh and by the way, shepherds didn't lay with their flock during winter, they did it during the spring when their sheep were having lambs. So Jesus would have been born some time in the spring. The pagans were already celebrating a winter holiday, and the Christians took it over to get the pagans to accept Christianity.

2/26/2010 7:32:20 AM

John

The calendar adjustment has nothing to do with it, since December 25th (roughly the winter solstice) was fixed back in the 4th century or so - long before the 17th/18th century calendar adjustments were made. In fact, it's just the opposite: the calendar adjustments deleted days from the calendar and switched the date (if the adjustment weren't made) from December 25th to January 6th, which is when the Eastern Rite churches celebrate it.

12/25 has been justified both by Cynical's story (usually unadjusted for the Catholic Church's fiddling with the date of Easter) and the story that he was conceived on the anniversary of the creation date, which by medieval tradition was assumed to be the vernal equinox (roughly March 25). The most plausible explanation, though, seems to be the Church wanted to replace the popular Roman holiday of Sol Invictus with a Christian one; and since Jesus' birth date isn't recorded in the Bible, they chose December 25th.

2/26/2010 7:34:37 AM

LOLWUT

It's true that Christmas was never a pagan holiday. However, Christians decided to put their Christmas around the same time as the older pagan holidays.

2/26/2010 7:39:11 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Caps lock stuck again?

2/26/2010 8:16:45 AM

breakerslion

I die a little bit every time I read something this stupid.

2/26/2010 8:35:32 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Happy Winter Solstice, moron.

2/26/2010 8:49:43 AM



Bible Scholar's worldwide would like to have a talk with you.

2/26/2010 9:30:29 AM



Citation needed please.


2/26/2010 9:51:01 AM

Papabear

No knowledge, no research, no interest in researching, and no idea that what you "know" might be wrong. You're the perfect Fundie historian.

2/26/2010 9:55:52 AM

Antichrist

Wow your bad at math...

Putting Good Friday at the end of March/beginning of April and counting back 9 months gets you into June as a conception date. Where this December 8 bullshit came from, I don't know. Unless of course Mary was either a rabbit, or a horse.

2/26/2010 10:08:59 AM

Old Viking

The prophets who died on the day of their conception had brief careers.

2/26/2010 11:13:27 AM

SleepNeed

Contrary to popular belief: CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PAGAN HOLIDAY!

Well that is partly true. It's located around the Pagan holidays celebrating the winter solstice for a reason and stuff like the Christmas tree, yule log, caroling and various others come from the Pagans.

You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception

Where in the Bible does it mention that?

So Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so

Biological error, a pregnancy doesn't last exactly nine months like it is so often told.

and it will be January 6 or so, now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25

Math error, and calendar error. Easter's day changes every year. This year it's April 4, next year it's April 24, the year after April 8.

2/26/2010 11:28:37 AM

John

So Jesus died on Good Friday

Not necessarily. He died on the "day of preparation", but it's not clear whether this was the day of preparation for the Sabbath or the Passover. In one place, he died as the lambs were being slaughtered for Passover (i.e., on the day of preparation for the Passover), and in another, he died after eating the Passover meal (i.e., on the day of preparation for the Sabbath). In any event, the date of Good Friday was fudged by the Catholic Church. The Jews celebrate Passover starting on the 15th day of Nisan. Nisan begins with the first spotting of the crescent moon after the vernal equinox, so 15 days would be the full moon. The Catholic Church made two changes: they "fixed" the date of the vernal equinox by decree to be March 21, and set Easter as the Sunday following their definition of the full moon (which differs from the astronomers' version).

2/26/2010 12:22:55 PM
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