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Contrary to popular belief: CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PAGAN HOLIDAY!


You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception. So Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so, now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25

Cynical_beyond_belief, Y! answers 77 Comments [2/25/2010 8:55:01 PM]
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"You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception."


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2/26/2010 1:26:43 PM



If I was a priest I'd slap your face.

2/26/2010 2:17:17 PM

The L

More like Deluded_beyond_belief.

Luke 2 indicates Jesus was born during the spring lambing season.

Constantine is the one who officially set a date for Christmas (which until then, was set in May or so and was NOT widely celebrated). The date he chose was well-known throughout the Empire as the Feast of Sol Invictus--December 25.

2/26/2010 3:18:06 PM

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#1126509 wrote:

"If I was a priest I'd slap your face."


If I was a priest I'd shift into Shadow Form, cast Shadow Word: Pain and Devouring Plague on him, then MELT his face.

2/26/2010 3:48:29 PM

Engima32

//You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception. So Jesus died on Good Friday, not [sic] count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so, now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25//

And if I count backwards by leap-years, subtract 234,012 seconds, and make adjustments according to the Vulcan calendar, I can predict the birth of the Antichrist!

2/26/2010 5:07:45 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

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Wehpudicabok

Oh wow. This is wrong all over.

"Contrary to popular belief: CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PAGAN HOLIDAY!"

Yes it was. It was called Saturnalia; thank you Wikipedia and Sheldon Cooper. (I need better sources for my fundie-bashing...)

"You see there is a trend that Old testament prophets will die on the day of their conception."

Jesus was a New Testament figure. Also, are we supposed to believe that God planned all their deaths to coincide with their conceptions? This sounds neither Biblical nor accurate.

"So Jesus died on Good Friday, not count backwards like 9 months or so and it will be January 6 or so, now with all these adjustments in the calendar and stuff all these past years it is actually December 25"

Good Friday is in April. Counting back 9 months from that is July. You need help with either math or the calendar.

Edited for clarity.

Edit again: Wait a minute, your math actually checks out. If he were born in January (our calendar), then count 9 months forward from that and he was conceived in April, when he died. So really the only thing wrong with your math was the word "backward"--you meant count forward. My other criticisms still stand though.

ME: Even so their Christmas is in DEC, though... DEC.25th... what does that have to do with his birth/death in APRIL?... *scratches head confused*

2/26/2010 5:14:31 PM

solomongrundy

Helena wrote:
Jan. 6 wasn't the date of his birth anyway, but of his bris

I always thought Hilary Bris, the butcher of 'special stuff' fame in The League of Gentlemen' was disconcerting...

2/26/2010 6:10:44 PM

Adam

"To calculate Easter in the year he died, you;d have to know the year he died, so that could be a bit off. Jan. 6 wasn't the date of his birth anyway, but of his bris (also when the magicians showed up)."

You could't be more wrong if you wanted to. First of all, The "magicians" didn't show up for two years after the birth. Second, a bris is 8 days after the birth. This would be around the 1st or 2nd of the first year.

Last but not least, if Jesus existed at all, it is widely held by historians and other people a lot smarter than me, he was born sometime in the fall (oct/sept depending on how you handle "adjustments in the calendar and all that stuff").






2/26/2010 7:47:36 PM

The Meromorph

"The julian calender didn't differ by 12 days until 1900, long after the christmas was appropiated by the church."

Wrong! It was 11 days, and occurred in October 1582 C.E.

2/26/2010 10:38:14 PM

The Meromorph

"The julian calender didn't differ by 12 days until 1900, long after the christmas was appropiated by the church."

Wrong! It was 11 days, and occurred on October 4th 1582 C.E. (gregorian)
AKA.
2299159 D.A.U.C (Julian) (Dies Ab Urbe Condita).

2/26/2010 10:38:30 PM

Wehpudicabok

@shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior:

Cynical_beyond_belief is proposing that Jesus was conceived in March (April by our calendar), was born nine months later in December (January by our calendar), and died the day he was conceived, again in March (and again, April by our calendar). The calendar has indeed shifted by about that much since then*, so the math checks out, at least approximately. But it's unsupported by any evidence.

*For example, Isaac Newton was actually born on December 25 on the calendar in use during his era, and in January by the modern calendar.

2/26/2010 11:18:22 PM

Sandwich Board

@The Meromorph

Julian days shouldn't be confused with the Julian Calendar (for one thing they refer to two different Juliuses).

October 4, 1582 (Gregorian)
September 29, 1582 (Julian)
Eight days before the Kalends of October, 2335 AUC
Oh, and 11/18/3/9/6 in the Mayan Long Count :)

2/27/2010 1:59:13 AM

solomongrundy

Good Friday can fall on any date from March 20th to April 22nd.
Which date am I meant to be counting back from again?

2/27/2010 4:03:03 AM



"If I was a priest I'd shift into Shadow Form, cast Shadow Word: Pain and Devouring Plague on him, then MELT his face. "

Congrats, you're fucking stupid.

2/27/2010 5:42:59 AM

arcturus

"So Jesus died on Good Friday"

yes.. jesus died 2 days before the first sunday following the vernal equinox in the year 0.

/sarcasm

2/27/2010 6:17:59 AM



Besides what everyone is saying about Saturnalia, there were also celebrations taking place on December 25th in other areas in and around the Middle East to celebrate the birth of "savior gods" of the indigenous cultures with stories very similiar to that of Jesus, for instance Egypt, Phoenicia (which was basically non-Old Israelite Canaan), and Babylon.

2/27/2010 10:23:57 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Son, we are just getting started.

- Walking on water and turning water into wine? Dionysus did that long before Jesus.
- Raising the dead? Apollonius of Tyaa did that long before Jesus.
- Coming back from the dead? Claiming "I am the life, I am the resurrection?" Osiris did that long before Jesus.
- Easter? Named after a Babylonian goddess.
- The Eucharistic feast? Stolen from the cult of Mithras.

Face it Cynical, the best parts of your religion were all stolen part and parcel from pagan cults. Seems pretty silly of you to be focusing just on Christmas now, doesn't it?

2/27/2010 4:05:57 PM



@ Kat

This is your POE.

How do I know?

I clicked that link and it took me to my page. The site reads http://answers.yahoo/my/profile. No matter who you are it will link to your page if you are logged in.

So since if that was your profile page and you copied/pasted the link it would have been the same it must be yours.

Great POE tho!

2/27/2010 4:14:51 PM



...the fuck?

No one knows when exactly Jesus was born, nor the exact date when he died. The Roman Catholic Church simply appropriated the Winter Solstice for their holiday---that's kind of how they got so powerful, borrowing the idea from the Romans.

Where are you getting this "die on the day of their conception" junk? I don't recall reading that anywhere in my Bible.

Christmas isn't a Pagan holiday, no--it's when the church is supposed to deliver its Christ Mass. But the date it's observed on was/is traditionally a pagan holiday.

2/27/2010 10:13:50 PM



I wonder, how the hell did the Shepperds at night deep in the winter?. The sheep would have died from hypothermia. And how could Joseph travel with a pregnant woman in December which, believe me, I WAS THERE, can be very hard in the Middle East, specially at night?. Oh wait, because he was born around April or May, if we trust the way it's described in the NT.

2/28/2010 9:33:37 AM

Swede

My ancestors, the Vikings, celebrated the Winter Solstice long before they heard of Christianity.
I bet the Incas, the Mayans and the Aborigines also had some form of celebration at the Solstices, long before they met any Christians.

2/28/2010 9:49:33 AM

elphada

You're right in a silly fundamental way. It wasn't called Christmas. Perhaps Christianity wasn't taking off as the powers that be thought it should so they decided to incorporate Christian beliefs with Pagan celebrations. Seems like our Pagan brethren from way back weren't falling for the New Religion.
It's the Winter Solstice and it's celebrating the return of the sun. *cough,cough* Days begin to get longer? Get it? Sun/Son? Never mind. Your kind doesn't even understand the Pagan influences of the rabbit and eggs at your Easter celebration. I beg you....please don't procreate.

edit: One other thing: I seriously doubt Good Friday was a term until much later.

2/28/2010 11:13:27 AM

Obamacare Death Panel

That's abstinance-only sex-ed for you.

2/28/2010 7:39:32 PM

Slater

Scandinavia would like a word with you.

3/1/2010 6:28:35 AM

ecoline

Also contrary to popular belief, caps do not make your statements correct.

3/1/2010 7:02:05 AM
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