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You really don't get it do you the Constitution limits government only not the people so it can be taught anywhere in school because the school makes no laws. BTW your incessant demands on me answering your perceived questions isn't going anywhere or did you not notice that? I did answer dan's question but not to your liking. But I'll again make it a little clearer for you> The limits of religious interference are put on Congress ONLY not "WE THE PEOPLE" as you would have us believe. The Church can and does intercede with "WE THE PEOPLE" by freely helping the down and out by whatever is necessary WITHOUT government interference whereas again the government can't tell the church who and when to help. ONLY THE CONGRESS IS LIMITED BY THE 1ST AMENDMENT NOT THE CHURCH IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. And again you can claim their rights weren't violated but they were forced to hid/remove there bibles and their artwork which directly violated their freedoms regardless of you "OPINION" because legal counsel was sought and an agreement was made despite involving the court system. My sister in law is a lawyer and most problems are resolved between lawyers and and the court only OK's the final settlement and guess what no court hearing. So please stop trying to treat me a a fool who is not as well educated as you think you are. And your interpretation of the 1st Amendment and what it really says only takes a grade school education. I very rarely agree with a non believer and this is surly not one of those times. Also I said your interpretation of the Danbury letters were a fallacy because they didn't establish the "Separation of Church and State" as YOU CLAIM. Maybe you missed that part?

martib, slickdeals.net 63 Comments [3/2/2010 3:20:38 AM]
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Murdin



That doesn't seem to be very interesting, anyway. Another fuckwit who believes the USA were founded as a Christian nation.

3/2/2010 3:22:38 AM

aaa

Kid, you aren't fooling anyone with that bullcrap.

3/2/2010 3:45:03 AM

Serph-no-Okami

Blahblah I want to teach my bible bullshit in schools because more and more people get the proper education to see through all the crap blahblah...

You know what, fine. Teach your bible as fact. I'll be over here with Europe, Japan and other places with a high standard of learning, pointing and laughing at what your country will become (all Americans who actually care about proper education are welcome of course).

3/2/2010 3:50:39 AM

anevilmeme

Must not be talking about the US constitution.

3/2/2010 3:58:01 AM

Mudak

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

3/2/2010 3:58:31 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Ok, let's try this one more time.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As we are only addressing the religious aspect, we'll ignore the remainder of the amendment. What that first part means, is, that the government will not create a "state religion", such as the Church of England. This also means that the horseshit you believe cannot take precedence over the horseshit the other guy believes. Therefore, no tax money may be used to teach christianity to children. If we were to allow this, then tax money must be used to educate these same children about other religions. Fortunately, our Constitutional framers recognized that slippery slope.

If you don't like it, send your idiot, fundie automotons to a parochial school - at your own expense, of course.

3/2/2010 3:59:26 AM

Titania

martib's education seems to have stopped at grade school.

3/2/2010 4:04:28 AM

Mrs. Antichrist

The government cannot mandate religion. Ergo, government-run schools can not force religious practices onto kids.

3/2/2010 5:01:04 AM

The L

Inaccurate wall of text is inaccurate, for all of the obvious reasons stated by other commenters above.

Also, very difficult to read. Someone needs to teach these goons about the Enter key and what it can do for their online interaction.

I also giggle when I think of the possibility of, say, Zoroastrianism becoming the state-sponsored religion. Or the Church of Hyrule. Bet the fundies would be all for separation of church and state then...

3/2/2010 5:04:56 AM



"the Constitution limits government only not the people so it can be taught anywhere in school because the school makes no laws"

The public school system is run by the government and funded by the taxpayers, therefore the establishment clause applies to it.


"So please stop trying to treat me a a fool who is not as well educated as you think you are".


You're NOT well educated. Stop blaming the messenger and take some classes in English and civics.



3/2/2010 5:34:28 AM

FSMpirate

You get what you PAY for.

You can't complain until you CONTRIBUTE.

3/2/2010 6:04:13 AM

Sweet Fancy Moses

I don't get it, what constitution are these guys reading? 'Cause I've been flipping through the U.S. Constitution, and the bullshit they spew off certainly isn't in there.

3/2/2010 6:06:11 AM

TGRwulf

Martib, you DO realize that shools are run by the GOVERNMENT right?

3/2/2010 6:10:53 AM



The Church can and does intercede with "WE THE PEOPLE" by freely helping the down and out by whatever is necessary...

Good for the church. Still doesn't mean anything legally. Still doesn't mean they're better than you or I.

...WITHOUT government interference whereas again the government can't tell the church who and when to help.

The government can't tell the church who to help but the government can help the down and out too. Remember that storm a few years ago called Katrina? How about that nasty building collapse called 9/11?

ONLY THE CONGRESS IS LIMITED BY THE 1ST AMENDMENT NOT THE CHURCH IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Yes, congress is limited by not being able to establish a national religion per the Establishment clause. However, religions are also limited by not being able to be established as a national religion. Sounds like a limitation to me.

3/2/2010 6:11:11 AM



By Lucifer's beard! Another double post. Most humble apologies my fellow heathens.

3/2/2010 6:11:18 AM

Table Rock

Was this put through the Google translator a couple of times?

3/2/2010 6:29:55 AM

Canadiest

Anyone who could type that up has reading comprehension and composition skills above most Fundies. It's these types that I really don't understand because they shouldn't be misunderstanding the constitution, so,,,
1) He's ignoring the constitution
2) He doesn't care what it says
3) He thinks his religion trumps it but won't admit it and/or
4) The brainwashing has shorted out the logic circuits of an otherwise working brain (took out paragraph break knowledge on the way through)

3/2/2010 6:44:57 AM

Doubting Thomas

Ah, it's more of the old "The First Amendment says that government can't interfere with religion, not the other way around" nonsense.

I guess you need to read the First Amendment again, because nowhere does it say that churches have the right to do whatever they want, including preaching to kids inside schools without hindrance.

And the Establishment Clause applies to all factions of government, not just Congress, due to the 14th Amendment (I think? Too early in the morning without caffeine to think clearly).

3/2/2010 6:46:54 AM

I Read About The Afterlife

TREATY OF TRIPOLI!!

3/2/2010 7:01:51 AM

Anon-e-moose

And you haven't read your Constitution, have you martib? Therefore 'you really don't get it do you'?

It says so much about a country when more people outside of said country know more about the laws of that land than a sizeable percentage of it's population.

3/2/2010 7:15:38 AM

Mihangel apYrs

"Spell Check" is your friend, especially if you're trying to show how well educated" you are

3/2/2010 7:16:37 AM

Horsefeathers

"ONLY THE CONGRESS IS LIMITED BY THE 1ST AMENDMENT NOT THE CHURCH IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM."

So, this wall of separation between Church and State that everyone is always talking about is one of those fancy one-sided walls, right? Someone explain how a one-sided wall works because I just can't comprehend such a thing.

3/2/2010 7:29:21 AM

Mister Spak

Your incessant idiotic blithering isn't making any sense or did you not notice that?

The first amendment was based on Virginias religious freedom law which was written by THOMAS JEFFERSON who WROTE THE DANBURY LETTER and you would expect Jefferson knew WHAT HIS OWN LAW MEANT! Maybe you missed that part.


3/2/2010 7:30:31 AM

Endless

The government can tell the church how to behave when it comes to politics. Too much involvement in the political arena and that church will have their tax exemption status revoked.

3/2/2010 7:36:25 AM



If the constitution doesn't apply to you then hand in your guns. Obviously the whole "right to bear arms" thing only applies to politicians, government workers and the military.

3/2/2010 7:42:22 AM
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