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A discussion on the IMDB forum for the movie Fireproof inspired me to share this.

What does "submit" actually mean? Briefly, it means to yield authority. Is that really such a bad thing?

Now let's look at what the Bible says about wives in Ephesians 5 (the text that's at the center of all this business):

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Three sentences. That's it. That's what all the fuss is about. Three measly little sentences. The way the Christian-bashers talk, you'd think there was a whole book of the Bible devoted to putting wives in their place.

Jinx McHue, The REAL Jesusland 66 Comments [3/1/2010 10:14:24 AM]
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David B.

No, to hear some Christians talk (particularly male ones), you'd think that it was the most important message in the bible.

3/1/2010 10:17:30 AM

The Watcher

So, you're saying something can't be abhorrent if it's short?

3/1/2010 10:19:07 AM

Musicalbookworm

That's not the only place it is mentioned. Any religion that puts one person above another because of the formation of their genitals is a religion I want nothing to do with.

3/1/2010 10:19:11 AM

GigaGuess

Brevity doesn't mean anything. It takes "three measly sentences" to sum up the Bible's view of women quite well. That they are inferior, and should know their place.

3/1/2010 10:21:36 AM

I Read About The Afterlife

Except that you completely overlooked all of the old testament which is all about putting women in their place.

3/1/2010 10:22:27 AM



> The way the Christian-bashers talk, you'd think there was a whole book of the Bible devoted to putting wives in their place.

The funny thing is, the way the CHRISTIANS talk too, you'd think there was a whole book of the Bible devoted to putting wives in their place.

Once the idea is out there, it's hard to retract. It doesn't matter how long the passage is. It's all the justification you need, whether you're supporting or rejecting that particular idea. One badly chosen word can haunt you for life; one badly written book can have implications that stretch through millennia.

3/1/2010 10:23:04 AM

Cy

Fundie-t-English translator...

Hey, womenz, giving up your autonomy isn't that bad!

3/1/2010 10:23:25 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

The fact that those three measly little sentences even exist is enough to make me vomit.

The fact that you are ignorant enough to be ok with them, is enough to make me want to kill you.

3/1/2010 10:24:40 AM

emau99

I wonder how many sentences it would take for me to get Jinx pissed off?

3/1/2010 10:34:49 AM

entropius

That's about how much material in the bible supports other things you lot harp on, too.


3/1/2010 10:41:45 AM

PhoenixUltima

@emau99: Ask mister owl.

3/1/2010 10:42:25 AM

John

Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

But neither Jesus nor the OT said any such thing. That "rule" was made up by Paul out of thin air. This is the guy who also wrote "[It is] good for a man not to touch a woman." and "For I would that all men were even as I myself [i.e., celibate]." Paul was a sexually dysfunction misogynist - the last person whose advice I would take on the relationship between man and woman.

3/1/2010 10:54:21 AM

aaa

Kid, how young are you?

3/1/2010 11:01:28 AM

Tyler

So....misogyny is ok as long as the Bible doesn't make a big fuss about it? Great! /sarcasm

3/1/2010 11:09:29 AM

caustic gnostic

I'm hoping that Jinx encounters a priestess of Ishtar very soon.

3/1/2010 11:11:07 AM

Doctor Whom

How long does a Bible passage have to be in order to be a big deal? You people can take one verse on homosexuality and declare it to be one of the most important teachings in the whole Bible as well as the one OT law that God decided to keep.

3/1/2010 11:20:02 AM

Swede

Die Schliesslig Endlösung der Judenfrage.
That is also short and measly, but it was the headline for one of the most gruesome genocides we have ever seen.

I will submit to my husband just as much as my cat has submitted to me.
(In her mind I am her servant, who opens doors and cans for her.)

3/1/2010 11:38:16 AM

Blue J

...and if you think that is the only misogynistic passage in all of Paul's letters, you don't know your bible nearly as well as you think you do.

3/1/2010 11:54:52 AM

Murdin

What does "die in a fire" actually mean? Briefly, it means to contribute to a natural phenomenon of combustion. Is that really such a bad thing?

3/1/2010 11:58:53 AM

breakerslion

"Inerrant" means it's all equally important, no matter how brief or insane it is. Substitute "valid" if you want to nitpick, but be prepared to piss off your angry god if you make the wrong guess about what to ignore. That's the real "Jesusland" way!

3/1/2010 12:08:10 PM

The L

Damnit, I've already heard this shit from my own kin just a week ago. I don't want to be "put in my place," thankyouverymuch. I HAVE a place. I'm in it.

3/1/2010 12:08:38 PM

Wookieduck

Stripping someone of their rights and humanity is appalling enough, but to do so as if it's no big deal, nothing to get upset about, and with a dose of down home folksy-ness is just too much.

If I could I would kick you in the balls. Repeatedly. With steel-toed boots. Just to emphasize that yes, your message really is such a bad thing.

3/1/2010 12:17:38 PM

Doubting Thomas

No, to read the bible, the whole book is devoted to putting wives in their place.

3/1/2010 12:37:16 PM

tracer

You guys use ONE measly little sentence in the bible to justify lynching gays.

THREE sentences must enough to get a freakin' army together.

3/1/2010 12:52:01 PM

Norman

"Three sentences. That's it. That's what all the fuss is about. Three measly little sentences."

The Bible has less to say on homosexual relationships, though the topic still seems to be quite importaint in the eyes of many fundementalist circles.

(Darn! Doctor Whom beat me to it!)

3/1/2010 12:53:52 PM
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