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A discussion on the IMDB forum for the movie Fireproof inspired me to share this.

What does "submit" actually mean? Briefly, it means to yield authority. Is that really such a bad thing?

Now let's look at what the Bible says about wives in Ephesians 5 (the text that's at the center of all this business):

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Three sentences. That's it. That's what all the fuss is about. Three measly little sentences. The way the Christian-bashers talk, you'd think there was a whole book of the Bible devoted to putting wives in their place.

Jinx McHue, The REAL Jesusland 66 Comments [3/1/2010 10:14:24 AM]
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#1127314
Old Viking

Oh, yeah, Paul. Nasty little man.

3/1/2010 1:00:35 PM

#1127323
SpacemanSpiff

Therefore, you can say anything you like, and as long as you keep it short, the message itself can be as disgusting as you want!

3/1/2010 1:06:58 PM

#1127330
Mister Spak

Three measely little sentences. The way the christians talk, you'd think a whole book of the bible was devoted to putting women in their place.

3/1/2010 1:18:53 PM

#1127333
TGRwulf

Sexism for God!

3/1/2010 1:20:15 PM

#1127341
Mintywolf

There's a whole lot more than three sentences devoted to how women are inferior. You don't know your bible nearly as well as most non-christians.

3/1/2010 1:35:08 PM

#1127345
John

The way the Christian fundies talk, you'd think there was a whole book of the Bible devoted to outlawing homosexuality and another speaking of the evils of abortion.

3/1/2010 1:50:22 PM

#1127347
Safaraz

"Three sentences. That's it. That's what all the fuss is about. Three measly little sentences. The way the Christian-bashers talk, you'd think there was a whole book of the Bible devoted to putting wives in their place."

And yet there is just one sentence that can be interpreted as being about homosexuality being wrong, but the way most christian fundies go on about it, you'd think that was the most important message of the religion.

3/1/2010 1:57:13 PM

#1127348
Mayhem

You're Bible is a work of fiction and full of shit.

One sentence. That's it.

3/1/2010 2:00:26 PM

#1127354
Joe Mama

I think everybody's missing the point. The movie Fireproof totally sucked donkey balls. Kirk Cameron is a worse actor now than when he was on "Growing Pains." Guess sitting in front of a camera with Bananaman doesn't let him hone his skills.

The only reason I watched that movie all the way through was because I was visiting some Christian friends with my wife and they trotted out that movie with "This is such a great movie, you'll love it," and I had to be polite and watch the whole crappy thing.

3/1/2010 2:21:48 PM

#1127360


Funny, then, since you admit that it's just three sentences out of the whole book, how you fundamentalists have used that tiny passage as the primary guiding principle for your marriages, church authority, and women's lives in general.

It's nice to see you admit what a pathetically tiny foundation fundie men have relied upon to retain power over women who are foolish enough not to see through such a transparent power grab.

3/1/2010 2:44:50 PM

#1127366
floorcandy

"Thou shalt not kill." See? One measly little line. The way Christians carry on about it you'd think there was a whole book devoted to how killing is wrong.

Wait a minute...

3/1/2010 3:02:44 PM

#1127367
Dr. Shrinker

How about the quote that says women are to remain silent in churches?

How about all the biblical women who are vilified for leading poor innocent men astray (Eve, Delailah and Jezebel come immediately to mind)?

How about the Benjamite concubine who was raped and mutilated in Judges?

How about Lot offering his virgins daughters to the gang rapists of Sodom?

Face it Jinx, your "three measly sentences" aside, the bible is a cesspool of anti-female propaganda.

3/1/2010 3:04:16 PM

#1127373
DinosaurRidinJeebus

Maybe if I act like the other numerous woman hating bible versus don't exist people will believe me...

3/1/2010 3:42:28 PM

#1127379
Blasphemina

But sometimes husbands have their heads up their asses and are totally wrong. It's a fact.

3/1/2010 3:51:06 PM

#1127381
GigaGuess

@Dr. Shrinker
How about Lot offering his virgins daughters to the gang rapists of Sodom?
Elaboration: What about Lot, who offered his daughters up for wholesale gangrape by the incensed mob, and still being deemed righteous enough to be saved from the utter destruction of the town. I guess it's okay because his daughters got him drunk and had their way with him (Riiiiight.) It's not enough that he did it, but that God was apparently A-OK with it that makes the scripture all the more vile and misogynistic.

@Doctor Whom and Norman: I was tempted to make a comment on that, but opted to leave it alone. Good to know that I'm not the only one that thought that.


3/1/2010 3:57:04 PM

#1127386
Papabear

Submit means to yield but who or what one sumbits to may or may not have authority.

Submission is not always a bad thing, but submiting to characters in ancient fairy tales IS a bad thing. Submission to another person simply because he has a penis is a bad and ridiculous thing.


Three sentences? I can express the most vile and repugnant of thoughts quite clearly in one sentence. The number of sentences invovled is completely irrelevent.

3/1/2010 4:16:06 PM

#1127392


So you think its okay because only some verses support abusing women and murdering children?

3/1/2010 4:26:47 PM

#1127400


Funny, there's less than that in the Bible about (possibly) masturbation...far, far less and it doesn't mention people turning into pillars of salt for doing it.

The Bible says lots of stuff that people don't follow anymore. Y'know, stuff like selling all your wordly goods and giving yourself to a life of charity and reflection.

3/1/2010 4:49:16 PM

#1127401
TheWriter

And somehow clicking a digitalized button compelled you to write this?

3/1/2010 4:51:30 PM

#1127419
Berny

The entire fucking book is based on misogyny from the start. Have you actually read the goddamned thing?

3/1/2010 5:34:18 PM

#1127424
GodotIsWaiting4U

"wives should submit to their husbands in everything."


In EVERYTHING.

How do you NOT see the problem with this? We don't NEED a whole book. These three sentences are disturbing enough.

3/1/2010 5:39:27 PM

#1127446
Sisyphus

In my marriage I only submit after we've agreed upon a safe word.

3/1/2010 6:28:41 PM

#1127476
Panz

Hey, doesn't the bible say you're supposed to submit to government powers, because governments are put in place by god?
And this government says that females being free and equal is a good thing...so kindly blow it out your mysogenic ass

3/1/2010 9:15:50 PM

#1127483
J.T.

"The Jews must burn" is a single sentence. That doesn't make it any less horrible.

3/1/2010 9:54:53 PM

#1127501
Secret Squirrel

FOAD. That's it. One measly little acronym.

3/1/2010 11:34:26 PM
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