When it comes down to it, either Atlantis was a real place or it wasn’t. If it wasn’t, then the discussion is more-or-less finished. And considering that this story was passed down several times before Plato recorded it, we can assume that it has some inaccuracies.
Regardless, let’s assume for a moment that it was a real place and use a biblical framework to place it . Big-picture biblical explanations could be:
1. Atlantis was destroyed by the Flood, and we should not expect to find remnants of it.
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AIG's posts really ought to come with a "rimshot", * ba-dum tish *
The trouble is, you could point out the irony to them till the second coming and they wouldn't be able to see it through their Ken Ham approved "biblical glasses".
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"Isn't it more interesting the no other major cultures and legends mention a World-wide flood?"
Some of the Mesopotamian legends mention one. The Epic of Gilgamesh contains a flood story that the authors of the Biblical version probably based theirs off of. Of course, both of them occurred in the Fertile Crescent, in roughly the same area, so it could also be based off the same catastrophic flood.
Remember, in these times, the world outside your town was never seen, and the world outside trade routes might as well not exist.
Let me see if I have this right, you are using one fairy tale to justify another fairy tale and in your deluded mind this probably counts as "evidence".
When it comes down to it, either Eden was a real place or it wasn’t. If it wasn’t, then the discussion is more-or-less finished. And considering that this story was passed down several times before it was recorded in writing, we can assume that it has some inaccuracies.
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Yo, dawg!
1. Atlantis was destroyed by the Flood, and we should not expect to find remnants of it.
You forgot:
3. There was no Flood - it's just a bronze-age myth.
So Noah's flood is what sank Atlantis?
Um, is it just me, or are these guys getting even crazier?
"When it comes down to it, either Atlantis was a real place or it wasn’t. If it wasn’t, then the discussion is more-or-less finished. And considering that this story was passed down several times before Plato recorded it, we can assume that it has some inaccuracies."
But, then, the same is true for the Bible, eh?
Not your mythology and Plato probably made it up to make a point.
As for your flood, we have tons of evidence that say it didn't happen (like a continuous record of tree rings that date from before YEC's even think the world existed) and we have tons of evidence of what the world was like before humans even existed (fossils, layers sediment and pollen in the Earth). Why must you take the Bible at face value? It's a far more useful guide for how to live your life if you take most of it as a series of metaphors and Aesops.
While we are mixing mythologies left right and centre I might as well add that you are ignoring the possibilities that...
3. Atlantis was destroyed by Xenu.
The myth of Atlantis is quite likely to relate to the Volcanic eruption of Santorini which resulted the fall of the Minoan culture.
As for Noah's flood? It never happened. Not 4,000 years ago. Not 4,000,000 years ago. Not 4,000,000,000 years ago.
That is a rock solid fact with mountainous (no pun intended) evidence.
"Real place"? "Biblical framework"?
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Srsly, I'm designing a combo barbecue/Stirling engine that uses meltdowning irony meters as its heat source.
In re AiG: Augustine of Hippo wrote many fucked-up things, but he accurately anticipated that AiG would be ridiculed by rational people.
Why do we have to use a Biblical framework? How about a Book of Mormon framework? The Atlanteans all moved to the Americas, but since they didn't write Reformed Egyptian, Joseph Smith wasn't able to translate their records.
As part of an Aperture Science test protocol, we are pleased to present this amusing fact: even if Atlantis had been destroyed by your flood, we should still expect to find remnants of it, because matter can be neither created nor destroyed, as you keep reminding us. Of course, your god apparently didn't know this when he created everything from nothing, as you claim.
I'm pretty sure Atlantis wasn't destroyed by a flood.
Your talking about that big resort in the Bahamas, right?
"When it comes down to it, either Atlantis was a real place or it wasn’t. If it wasn’t, then the discussion is more-or-less finished"
And the pyramids were built by the Goa'uld. But "StarGate" isn't a documentary. Thus the discussion is over before it's started.
PROTIP: Myths & Legends != Reality.
You do the maths, Bodie Hodge.
If Atlantis was destroyed by the global flood, then why is there a story about it? Why not a story about all places destroyed by the global flood, instead of just one place which, as the story goes, "fell into the sea" instead of was just flooded and covered by water. And the author of the story would have had to have been Noah or one of the other 8 people on the boat. But writing a story about one single place swallowed up by flood waters seems superfluous.
My guess is that Atlantis was probably a mythical place. Or at least it may have been a real place but without all the Weekly World News-type ideas regarding advanced civilization and UFO's surrounding it.
@1132046
Greek Mythology has one too. After Pandora opened the box given to her, and unleashed the evils within on the world, man became, for lack of a better term here, sinful. The Gods then flooded the Earth, save for a man and a woman. As they despaired, the gods took pity on them, and told them to throw stones over their shoulders. Behind the woman, a score of women rose from the water, and the man, a score of men. As opposed to the previos generation of men, who were made of clay, these were of stone, and were resistent to the stings and bites of the evils that Pandora released.
Moral of the Story: The Greek Gods may have been dicks, but they were at least a bit more honest about it, and also learned from their mistakes, rather than perpetuating them. (See: Made people to resist the evils they beset upon them, rather than keeping weith the same design and punishing them for it.)
@ Dionysius
Apropos of the OP, I can't class acknowledged hypothetical speculation as a 'darnedest thing', no matter how far out it is.
@ Swede
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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