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The Interesting little FACT is that creationism and science do NOT contradict themselves at all, as liberals would have us believe. Only when so called scientific THEORIES are thrown into the mix do we have a conflict.
Question: So why are do Evolutionist hate creationism?
Answer: It comes down to MORALITY.... If there is a Creator and we have been created then we are accountable to a set of rules by our Creator. But if we can take the Creator out of the picture then we can make up the rules. So at the end of the day, it comes down to MORALITY.

kiwi1, www.huffinngtonpost.com 52 Comments [3/15/2010 3:34:33 PM]
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Wehpudicabok

Oh, I see, you want science without theories. Gotcha.

3/15/2010 3:49:14 PM

David B.

Yeah, fundies are just dandy with science as long as you don't try to introduce any theories.

Or facts.

Or logic, reason, consistency, rigour or honesty.

3/15/2010 3:49:29 PM

Lucilius

In kiwi1's case, it comes down to MORONITY.

3/15/2010 3:52:41 PM

Smilodon

"Answer: It comes down to MORALITY...."

This shit again? Honestly can't you come up with a new argument?

3/15/2010 3:52:48 PM

The L

Where the fuck do they get these ideas? Ethics and morality do NOT depend on a god!

3/15/2010 3:58:09 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

As horrible as what I'm about to say may sound, science does not care about petty issues like morality. Leave that to the philosophers.

3/15/2010 4:32:40 PM

feralboy12

Oops, false dichotomy.
Actually, if we take the creator out of the picture, we can let the real world tell us what the rules really are. The real world tells me that pain & suffering suck, and that other people experience it much like I do. That's where my morality begins.

3/15/2010 4:40:30 PM

Vince

So as soon as actual "science" gets involved your creation story falls apart.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

3/15/2010 4:50:11 PM

Mudak

Well, I'm not sure how many scientists not named Myers or Dawkins actually hate creationism, per se, but the most complimentary thing I can say about creationism is that it's not science by even the loosest definitions of the word....

3/15/2010 4:52:51 PM

David B.

I don't hate creationism, I hate stupidity.

It's entirely creationism's fault that it falls into that latter category.

3/15/2010 4:55:34 PM

shadkat

You wanna know why people sort of assume that science and creationism don't mix? Because science is based off of things like observations and evidence and hypotheses and the dreaded theories.

Aaaand most of that sciency stuff doesn't point to creationism. Sorry.

3/15/2010 5:19:23 PM

TB Tabby

The Interesting little FACT is that creationism and science do NOT contradict themselves at all, as liberals would have us believe.

They do, and the proof lies in the way they approach an unknown. When creationists don't know the answer, they say "Goddidit" and leave it at that. REAL scientists admit they don't know the answer, and begin research to come up with an explanation based on available facts. Creationists stop when real scientists are just getting started.

Only when so called scientific THEORIES are thrown into the mix do we have a conflict.

Why the emphasis on "theories?" I hope you're not dredging up that old "just a theory" canard. It's even been debunked by They Might Be Giants.

Question: So why are do Evolutionist hate creationism?

Answer: Because it's junk science that threatens to undo years of advances in biology, medicine, genetics, and even engineering, all to placate a religious lobby.

Answer: It comes down to MORALITY.... If there is a Creator and we have been created then we are accountable to a set of rules by our Creator. But if we can take the Creator out of the picture then we can make up the rules. So at the end of the day, it comes down to MORALITY.

Morality doesn't come from a god. It comes from bring social animals. We live and survive in groups. That means that each member of the group has to look out for the others, who in turn look out for them. Groups who help each other and work together have a better chance at survival than groups who constantly squabble and just look out for number one.

And if your God is the source of your morality, you must be okay with rape, slavery, genocide and pedophilia, all of which are endorsed in the Bible. But you're saying that the only thing keeping you from running around raping, pillaging and murdering is the constant threat of eternal damnation, you are NOT a moral person. A real moral person does the right thing because it's the right thing, not because they think God will punish them if they don't.

3/15/2010 5:27:07 PM

werewolf

Halfwits are usually half right, aren't they?

3/15/2010 5:36:43 PM

Tom S. Fox

Indeed, science doesn't contradict creationism when you just ignore everything science says.

3/15/2010 5:37:49 PM



Yes, they do contradict each other. No, evolutionists don't hate creationism; you can't hate something that never happened. And who says the two are mutually exclusive? There are plenty of us who are both religious and follow science; learning about all these discoveries only deepens our awe at how beautiful and complex creation really is.

3/15/2010 5:44:59 PM

moose

"Question: so why are do Evolutionist hate creationism?"

Two reasons. First: You can't form a coherent sentence (are do...????) and,
Second: Read the rest of your blithering diatribe, you cant form a logical cogent thought in a paragraph.

3/15/2010 5:45:54 PM

John

The Interesting little FACT is that creationism and science do NOT contradict themselves at all, as liberals would have us believe.

Liberals don't claim creationism and science contradict each other. It's fundamentalists who make that claim because science conflicts, not with creationism, but with their own particular brand of creationism.

3/15/2010 5:46:51 PM

Old Viking

I'm trying to be good because there's a mean old guy up there watching me.

3/15/2010 5:52:14 PM

El Zorro

You're a bit confused, kiwi1.

3/15/2010 5:56:55 PM

Doctor Whom


3/15/2010 6:14:15 PM



Let me guess, Kiwi works for the Texas board of education?

3/15/2010 6:46:46 PM

Berny

Question: So why are do Evolutionist hate creationism?

This "evolutionist" hates creationists because they reject evidence-based science in favour of fairy tales and then try to put this bullshit on the curriculum at public schools.
Evolution has nothing to do with morality. It doesn't have to. Religion does not have the monopoly on morality either, thankfully, because religion has allowed some very immoral things to take place over the centuries.
I get my morality from my own sense of right and wrong. Count yourself lucky I don't get it from a two-and-half-thousand-years-old book of fables. I might have to kill you for disagreeing with me.

3/15/2010 6:52:00 PM

Tyler

Answer: We hate you when you come in with your stories, which you're free to believe, and tell the schools that they need to teach your mythology as fact and that real science is an evil librul lie from the pits of hell, and that evolution promoted the Holocaust, and that there's a global atheist-scientist conspiracy to come up with new ideas to try to pull kids away from Gawd and win their souls for Satan and blah blah blah....

But more to the point, why do you hate the idea of evolution? Is it because your narrow worldview is somehow in danger because you're not "God's special little creation" but rather some aspect of life on this rather remarkable planet in an otherwise dull solar system? Or is it because you have in your possession some revolutionary fact about science that will completely throw the scientific community into upheaval and make us rewrite the book on it?

I'll let Richard Dawkins take care of this one:
"If you are in possession of this revolutionary secret of science,
why not prove it and be hailed as the new Newton?
Of course, we know the answer. You can't do it. You are a fake."

3/15/2010 8:02:46 PM

Horsefeathers

"The Interesting little FACT is that creationism and science do NOT contradict themselves at all, as liberals would have us believe."

No. Science doesn't contradict itself (unless there's competing theories that haven't been hashed out yet). Creationism, on the other hand, appears to be composed primarily of contradictory claims and what isn't contradictory is an outright lie--sometimes it's both.

"Only when so called scientific THEORIES are thrown into the mix do we have a conflict."

Science is theories you moron. What you're proposing is like wanting an ocean without water.

"Question: So why are do Evolutionist hate creationism?"

Well, the fact that it's completely fucking unscientific for one thing. The fact that goons like you want it taught in schools is another.

"Answer: It comes down to MORALITY...."

Morality has fuck all to do with science or creationism.

"If there is a Creator and we have been created then we are accountable to a set of rules by our Creator."

Says who? Obviously you haven't thought this out very well. What if a god exists and it's nothing more than literally a creator deity and has no interest in what you do? What if your creator wants you to think for yourself and look around you to discover how it actually went about creating the universe and what inhabits it and, again, doesn't really give a damn how you behave and has no "rules" other than those which are inherent physical properties of the universe itself?

Why the hell are you people so narrow minded that you cannot possibly conceive of anything that isn't some sort of cosmic daddy figure--and an abusive one at that?

"But if we can take the Creator out of the picture then we can make up the rules."

Just as we've done for quite some time now.

"So at the end of the day, it comes down to MORALITY."

Morality still has fuck all to do with science or creationism, despite your rather pathetic attempt at an argument otherwise.

3/15/2010 8:20:04 PM

dionysus

The Interesting little FACT is that creationism and science do NOT contradict themselves at all

Interesting fact: putting 'FACT' in all caps does not make it so.

as liberals would have us believe.

This has exactly what to do with politics? I know plenty of political conservatives that accept ToE. Remember during the 2008 election when Republican candidates were asked if they rejected ToE? Guess what, not every hand went up.

Only when so called scientific THEORIES are thrown into the mix do we have a conflict.

Well unfortunately for you theories are the meat and potatoes of science; without them science is nearly useless as theories explain the facts so that they can be properly applied.

Question: So why are do Evolutionist hate creationism?

The only beef I have with the creationist movement is its insistence on breaking into government policy and public schools and its slandering of real science. Other than that it's just another outdated belief.

Answer: It comes down to MORALITY.... If there is a Creator and we have been created then we are accountable to a set of rules by our Creator.

That's quite a leap you took there and don't think that nobody noticed that. Even if we agreed that there is a creator, there's nothing that says this creator has any rules. for example, the Deist creator couldn't give less of a shit about what we do. If you're talking about the Christian creator (which I think you are), I would not put him and morality in the same sentence without a "not" somewhere in said sentence.

But if we can take the Creator out of the picture then we can make up the rules.

Again, Deists make up their own rules and they believe in a creator. The choice is not Christianity or no creator as your false dichotomy suggests.

So at the end of the day, it comes down to MORALITY.

No it doesn't. It comes down to plausibility and your god fails that. Though I guess he also fails hard at morality too.

3/15/2010 8:41:37 PM
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