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You've never studied Genisis and held it up to scientific facts, have you?

gzusfreq, Christian Guitar Resources 36 Comments [10/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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JasoNF

I have: 37 scientific errors in the first 17 chapters, and that's ignoring self-contradictions and repeats, and taking into account that I am only a lay-scientist. Specialists in each of the pertinent fields would likely find many more errors

5/15/2007 1:31:47 PM

Jim

Typical yes I did, no you didn't argument.

Let me keep it simple:

In response to your question, in one word...

YES.

More elaborate version: Yes, we have.

Even more elaborate: Yes, we have, and we believe Genesis to be a complete and utter FARCE.

5/16/2007 1:26:56 AM

BurntBush

Lying for jeezus.

5/16/2007 1:27:26 AM

Puck

The Apocryphon of John corrects the Genesis myth quite satisfactorily, in my opinion.

It is also metaphysical enough not to excite the empiricists to outrage....

5/16/2007 1:40:05 AM

Hawker Hurricane

\"there are no errors or contradictions in Genesis\"

So, Man and Woman were both made after the animals (1st chapter) AND Man was made before the animals and Woman after (2nd chapter).

You can't get past the 2nd chapter without it contradicting itself.

5/16/2007 1:48:42 AM

ArchmageDB

Yeah, Genesis is a fairly typical creation myth, although unusual in its monotheism, and doesn't come within a mile of scientific accuracy.

5/17/2007 3:46:33 AM

BurntBush

\"God said, \"Let us make mankind in our image\"

Isn't that an arguement for polytheism?

5/17/2007 4:04:09 AM

Brian X

Yeah, thanks, Anon, but we can look it up for ourselves.

Though thanks for pointing out the two contradictory stories.

5/17/2007 5:23:41 AM

Anonymous

(I'm a different Anonymous than 246965.)

\"God said, \"Let us make mankind in our image\"

Isn't that an arguement for polytheism?
The early Hebrew tribes were polytheistic. This combined with Genesis following the Babylonian creation myth makes it likely that someone missed a search and replace when transcribing.

5/17/2007 5:58:13 AM

Anonymous 247067

Ooh, ooh! Let the Anonymous battles begin! I am 247067.

Genesis 1:25-27
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Genesis 2:18-19
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


In Genesis 1, man is created after animals. In Genesis 2, animals are created after man.

In Genesis 1, man and woman are created at the same time, the source of their lives unmentioned. In Genesis 2, woman is not created until after man and all of the animals, from a rib of man (Genesis 2:21-23)

So first god says \"A, then B and C.\" But then he says \"B, then A, then C.\"

Which is the correct account? And how is this not a contradiction?

5/17/2007 8:30:49 AM

The_Dude

And your point is...

5/17/2007 8:45:20 AM

szenah

Here are just a few of the contradictions. Anonymous 1 will now cover his eyes and insist that they aren't there:



Genesis 1:29
Behold, I have given your every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree ... to you it shall be for meat.

vs.


Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it.




Genesis 7:17
And the flood was forty days upon the earth

vs.

Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 8:3
And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.




Genesis 8:4
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

vs.

Genesis 8:5
And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.



Genesis 10:5
By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every one after his tongue.

and one chapter later,

Genesis 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.




Genesis 22:2
Take now thy [Abraham's] son, thine only son Isaac, ... and offer him there for a burnt offering.

vs.

Genesis 16:15
And Hagar bare Abraham a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.


The flood story says that all beings that weren't on the ark perished, but later books talk about the giants who apparently survived.

5/17/2007 10:21:02 AM

Ambrielle

Well, Anonymous 247067 and szenah made a pretty conclusive case there. Any replies \"other\" Anonymous?

5/17/2007 10:25:51 AM

Ambrielle

The OP can't even spell Genesis, so...

5/17/2007 12:15:29 PM

dworkin

The band, religious writing or porno mag?

5/17/2007 8:03:46 PM

H.H.

@ anon 1

The contradiction has been shown. 1 Genesis has Man and Woman created together after the animals, 2 Genesis has Man created, then the animals, then Woman. It's clearly a contradiction. The fact that it's not the only contradiction doesn't matter.

5/17/2007 8:09:03 PM

Jim

I think A1 has already seen them, but chooses not to listen and/or make up excuses.

Prophetic next comment from A1:

The word of God is correct, and you are wrong.

Even if they're contradictory?

5/17/2007 9:12:36 PM

ArchmageDB

And not Anon1 is resorting to pseudo-physical violence and pointless stammer with a few insults to defend his untenable position. Weak sauce indeed.

5/17/2007 9:35:56 PM

szenah

Anonymous 1 begins with the classic fundie tactic of moving the goal posts while simultaneously refusing to address any point made.

\"We're only on Genesis 1. I won't address any other contradictions.\"


5/17/2007 9:37:56 PM

Anonymous 247067

clearly has the wrong Bible. a 'help meet'? i presume that's supposed to be 'help mate', which is a poor translation. read mine, it's correct.
It's the King James. You know, the basic standard generic Bible.

Also, you nitpicked a phrase and disregarded the request. You claim there are no contradictions. We have shown contradictions. Please explain.

5/17/2007 9:54:30 PM

szenah

@247625 - We're referring to this:

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.



Clearly Adam was created before the animals.


If you won't consider anything but the first chapter, explain the contradiction inherent in light being present before any sources of light were created and there being \"evening and morning\" before the sun existed.

5/18/2007 11:37:14 AM

Brian X

The fundamental (hee!) problem here is that not just fundies, but virtually all faithful Christians and probably most Jews sidestep the self-evident fact that when taken together, Genesis 1 and 2 average out to a garbled mess. I'm pretty sure I noticed that the first time I read Genesis, because it seemed awfully weird compared to the way the kids' bible stories books presented it.

5/18/2007 4:48:18 PM

David D.G.

Please Do Not Feed The Troll.


~David D.G.

5/18/2007 5:59:10 PM

DGen

we've tried. we've failed. why? cause there is none.

8/10/2008 2:49:03 AM

Nightboomfer

Ha-ha! four legged insects!
Ha-ha! Bats are birds!

8/11/2008 5:00:58 AM
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