I believe YEC is possible. I know there have been scientifically proven matters that really disrupt the claim of science that the earth must be billions of years old or that historical events took millions of years to unfold. That there is evidence of "scientists" repressing these scientifically-proven (by secular researchers no less) issues because it doesn't agree with their views just shows that scientists aren't always objective.
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"I know there have been scientifically proven matters that really disrupt the claim of science that the earth must be billions of years old or that historical events took millions of years to unfold. That there is evidence of "scientists" repressing these scientifically-proven (by secular researchers no less) issues because it doesn't agree with their views just shows that scientists aren't always objective."
Citation seriously fucking needed.
And yet, you, also supress this 'evidence' by not supplying it when you are in the perfect position to do so. Are you one of these "scientists" or does the 'evidence' not, in fact, exist ?
And this is the evidence he presents (later in the thread)...
I spent HOURS listening to lectures I downloaded. Some incidents were fascinating. One involved radio halos in rocks caused by isotopes that exist for only a fraction of a second. Rocks don't turn from liquid magma to solid mass fast enough to make this possible. The most likely explanation is that the rocks formed near-instantly, but that defies any known scientific or geological process.
Another involved geological proof of the earth's magnetic pole radically shifting twice within a matter of weeks or months...this was based on hardened magma attuned to the magnetic pole shifting flow twice before it fully hardened. All about the time of Noah's Flood. The popular YE theory about Noah's Flood is that a meteor struck the earth and vastly disrupted the ecosystem.
There is also a rock in the Grand Canyon that is not indigenous to the region...but it is indigenous from UPSTREAM. It's about the size of a Volkswagen and so heavy that even the most vigorous river flow existing today can not move it. It's also insanely hard, but worn smooth. If the Grand Canyon was the result of millions of years of erosion, it is impossible for this rock to be there. However, if the Grand Canyon was the result of an ice dam bursting upstream and a torrential flood carving down to the ocean, it would explain how something this big was carried so far and worn smooth.
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on the ice dam, it was likely moved the by a dam formed by lava from a now inactive hotspot volcano.
and that rock doesnt need to be millions of years old, especialy if it was moved there.
I spent HOURS listening to lectures I downloaded. Some incidents were fascinating. One involved radio halos in rocks caused by isotopes that exist for only a fraction of a second. Rocks don't turn from liquid magma to solid mass fast enough to make this possible. The most likely explanation is that the rocks formed near-instantly, but that defies any known scientific or geological process.
What you start with is a long lived isotope that decays into a short lived isotope, and that is what the halos
Another involved geological proof of the earth's magnetic pole radically shifting twice within a matter of weeks or months...this was based on hardened magma attuned to the magnetic pole shifting flow twice before it fully hardened. All about the time of Noah's Flood.
Citation needed
The popular YE theory about Noah's Flood is that a meteor struck the earth and vastly disrupted the ecosystem.
A popular YEC theory? I think not.
There is also a rock in the Grand Canyon that is not indigenous to the region...but it is indigenous from UPSTREAM. It's about the size of a Volkswagen and so heavy that even the most vigorous river flow existing today can not move it. It's also insanely hard, but worn smooth. If the Grand Canyon was the result of millions of years of erosion, it is impossible for this rock to be there. However, if the Grand Canyon was the result of an ice dam bursting upstream and a torrential flood carving down to the ocean, it would explain how something this big was carried so far and worn smooth.
Seriously, do you have any idea of the power of water? Watch this and learn
It is possible that a fully formed Earth was created 6000 years ago over the course of about seven days. However, the only known method for that to have happened is for an invisible, magic, nothing-inhabiting, eternally-surviving, supernatural being to have vocalized it into existence. By which I mean the type of being that loves to continally control the interactions of trillions of squillians of particles all at the same time.
Of necessity, this is a very vague imagining of the type of being required for the job, as I lack the ability to describe it properly. Only top fundamentalists have the qualifications and the mental wherewithall to do it proper justice and give a coherent explanation. One must have ones gullibility fully honed and be trained in the arts of blindly and slavishly following the dictates of flock-fleecing puppet-masters. That in itself entails being trained from as young as is possible to have faith in odd beliefs. All beyond my limited comprehension I'm afraid.
"I believe YEC is possible."
It's really really not on so many levels, that unless god is deliberately trying to manipulate and lie to anyone with a decent grasp of mathematics then it's time to throw YEC out the window.
You aren't going o find 'objective' if you keep getting your evidence frm creationist web sites. believe me, I've seen them.
"I believe YEC is possible."
Reality disagrees. When reality disagrees it doesn't really matter what you believe.
"I know there have been scientifically proven matters that really disrupt the claim of science that the earth must be billions of years old or that historical events took millions of years to unfold."
And I know that an interdimensional elf is the one stealing my socks out of the dryer. I just can't provide any evidence for it.
"That there is evidence of "scientists" repressing these scientifically-proven (by secular researchers no less) issues because it doesn't agree with their views just shows that scientists aren't always objective."
Obviously scientists aren't always objective. They're people. People tend to not be objective all the time, even when they're specifically trained to be. Hence the peer review process.
Now then, how about you provide this "evidence" you think exists that scientists, or anyone else, are "repressing these scientifically-proven (by secular researchers no less) issues because it doesn't agree with their views."
Real scientists don't repress facts that go against their world view. That would move them away from being people who strive to learn more about how the universe works and toward religious nuts.
However, for something to be considered fact it has to stand up to scrutiny.
Where were you zer0netgain, when the defendants needed your razor-sharp persuasive skills in Kitzmiller vs. Dover, hmmmm?
...oh yes, that's right. If the testimony and 'evidence' of the likes of Michael Behe made the case for 'Intelligent Design' a laughingstock, then is it any wonder that Judge John E. Jones III ruled for the plaintiffs.
Thus in a single stroke he (a Conservative Christian, no less) destroyed the 'YEC' cause forever. It's now illegal to teach 'Intelligent Design in US educational establishments.
Enjoy your 'hoemskuling', zer0netgain. I'm suuuuure you'll be promoted to senior burger flipper. One day.
Dexter added some more of your drivel on this subject. You mentioned "YE theory about Noah's flood is that a meteor stuck the earth...."
Hold on there a minute sparky! I have read many other xians saying there is no evidence of meteors, and that meteors never happened, and that the dinosaurs were not eliminated by meteors, etc. Afterall, meteors would provide proof of the earth being older than your 6000 years baseless claim. Perhaps it is time to evaluate your fundie science with others in your fundie science field. Yall need to get yall's story straight between yourselves.
Yall: Southern for "you all".
I believe YEC is possible. I know there have been scientifically proven matters that really disrupt the claim of science that the earth must be billions of years old or that historical events took millions of years to unfold.
No there isn't, quit lying.
That there is evidence of "scientists" repressing these scientifically-proven (by secular researchers no less) issues because it doesn't agree with their views just shows that scientists aren't always objective.
Individual scientists can be biased and even dishonest, yes. But you know what happens when they get caught? Their careers get irreparably ruined and no other credible scientist wants anything to do with them ever again. Just look at Michael Behe. Also, there's a little thing called peer review that is very good at catching any data fudging and mistakes.
Arent aspies supposed to be like Dr. Spock you know all logical and void of emotion. And yet they still believe in all the crazy things everybody else does.
EDIT: 75% did say they weren't Christian or YEC so maybe fundyism is still the exception rather than the rule
I have no idea what they could have been talking about on that thread... It's a forum for people with autism spectrum disorders. I used to visit it quite frequently, when I thought I had Asperger's Syndrome.
I just don't want anyone getting the wrong idea about this site... :)
"I believe YEC is possible."
-zer0netgain
- The White Queen from Alice's Adventures Through the Looking Glass
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