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[You might say well of course I still have to be a good lad, follow the Commandments and all that, but then what was the point of the sacrifice?]

Actually, you DON'T *have* to do ANY of those things. That's the Good News. You are NOT "good". Castlewood is NOT "good". *I* am NOT "good". NO ONE is "good" ("there is none righteous, no, not even one"). That's why people NEED a righteousness other than their own hopelessly fallible self-righteousness. Only Jesus' righteousness (imputed onto believers) allows sinful people into heaven.

Their actions are, to a large degree, irrelevant. Actions cannot earn a person heaven (Isaiah 64.6, among others) and they cannot take AWAY from salvation. A person is either saved or not. Salvation is a "forever" thing, not a contract that requires constant renewal. Once a person is saved they can do, frankly, whatever the **** they please. Will a deliberate life of sinful choices (constant sexual gratification, alcohol binges, gluttony, greed, etc) have consequences in this life? Absolutely! Will such actions take away from a person's rewards in the afterlife? Probably! But God chastises his children. No believer goes to hell. Even if they're murderers. Like Moses, David and Saul.

bdollars21-1, IMDB 54 Comments [3/27/2010 8:44:48 AM]
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anti-nonsense

Right, and you say that Christianity makes you moral?

3/27/2010 4:19:39 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Cool.

By the way, Jeffrey Dahmer was a born-again Christian, so yeah.

3/27/2010 4:26:22 PM

shadkat

So say "I love Jesus!" and the rest takes care of itself, no matter what? Yeah...yeah, the other Christians must love you.

3/27/2010 4:29:11 PM

werewolf

Speak for yourself, bdollars.

I know I'm good. Got the medals and certificates to prove it.

3/27/2010 5:06:31 PM

Elia

And you wonder why the sane Christians don't want to be seen with you.

3/27/2010 5:24:13 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

Youre fucking crazy. *backs away slowly... and then runs away as fast as she can*

(ahhh and the truth comes out about you people. well... the truth shall set you free I guess... or just make you appear to be a complete sociopathic psychopath. good thing we have government laws to put people like you in your place and keep others safe from you and your nutty bullshit thinking processes*)

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW OR GOD'S JUDGEMENT AND PUNISHMENT FOR THESE HEINOUS ACTS YOU CLAIM TO BE PERFECTLY ALLOWED TO COMMIT WHETHER YOU ARE SAVED OR NOT. NOT EVEN YOU BDOLLARS21. GET OVER YOUR OWN SELF RIGHTIOUS BULLSHIT AND COME BACK TO REALITY.

3/27/2010 6:57:47 PM

DeKalb

Here in the American South I know quite a few people that live their lives according to this. They cheat on their wives and lie compulsively but they have a license to do it because they're SAVED! Who cares if you're an a-hole on earth since you're going to heaven anyway?

I've actually had people explain this to me in those very words. When I explain that that is the very definition of antisocial behavior and one of the biggest reasons why I don't believe they call ME the dirty sinner going to hell.

3/27/2010 9:55:01 PM

Hive

Well, at least you admit it... That's the first step...

3/27/2010 11:24:43 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

So your an amoral sociopathic arsehole! Tell me about how being a Christian will make me a good person again?

3/28/2010 2:52:18 AM



CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

YOUR RELIGION ALLOWS YOU TO ACT LIKE AN ASSHAT AND GET AWAY WITH IT!

Yayyyy! Wait, why would you think thats a good thing?

3/28/2010 3:28:34 AM

Canadiest

Oh, I think this IS what a lot of Fundies believe and a lot of their churchs teach. It explains their defending of in house criminal activities and their stand that they ONLY answer to God, Not mans laws.

To them belief is enough, they can violate any law or moral edict (even Biblical) because they are saved forever, regardless of their behavior. In other words, they're special

3/28/2010 5:40:02 AM



Actually, you DON'T *have* to......

Keep telling yourself that, fuckwit. Ignorant shit like this is EXACTLY what is killing your religion.

3/28/2010 7:22:04 AM

JohnTheAtheist

The amazing thing to me is that these douchebags don't find this world view reprehensible.

What a fucking tool.

3/28/2010 7:26:54 AM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

The funniest thing about the christian religion...the fact that you can mass murder everyone you know but as long as you believe some irrational book you face no punishment.

3/28/2010 11:24:03 AM



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DinosaurRidinJeebus

The funniest thing about the christian religion...the fact that you can mass murder everyone you know but as long as you believe some irrational book you face no punishment.


Ahem... funniest? Ask the Bosnians how much they laughed when the Serbs were burning their houses and raping their women in the name of Jesus Christ.

3/28/2010 12:24:47 PM

NonProphet

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

1 Peter 3:11-12 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.


Oh, yea, I totally see how the Bible supports your view.
Oh, wait, you're just trying to justify being a poor excuse for a decent human being.

3/28/2010 2:42:23 PM

Masker

Again, using the Bible to justify being an lazy, self-righteous jerk. And using it badly, too.

How can they actually justify this stuff? I mean, the Bible does say that faith without work is dead and Jesus does has this moment in Mathew 25, 41-43 (KJB)

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not."

This means literally, with no space for arguing, that those who do not help those in need (feed the hungry, clothe the naked and visit the sick) go to Hell.

So "I'm saved, I'm outta here" does not apply to anyone who reads the Bible as literal thruth.

3/28/2010 4:25:23 PM

Brenz

Me, though, I'm pretty good.

3/29/2010 5:00:52 AM

John_in_Oz

That verse you quote sure gets a lot of explication- and it sure doesn't say what you allege it says without it!

3/29/2010 7:36:34 AM

Anonymous

Simply astounding .... This is the same group who routinely attacks and condemns whole societies based on behavior, yes?

I think bdollars might not have a handle on what taking Jesus as his Lord and Saviour really entails. Then again, with those do-as-I-please conclusions he jumped to, why would he want to think more deeply on the topic? I just hope he doesn't cause too much pain for those around him with that clean consience of his.

3/29/2010 7:57:31 AM

Xotan

Religious mumbo-jumbo. It's meaningless!

3/29/2010 9:57:51 AM

Doubting Thomas

So tell me again how Christians are moral and atheists are not?

I'd believe that this were a poe if not for the fact that I've seen Christian websites stating basically the same thing. But, I guess, good to know that I'm going to heaven as an atheist because I once accepted Jesus as my savior.

3/29/2010 10:07:34 AM

GigaGuess

So you admit you believe this because you can't be bothered to actually be a good person, so you follow the faith that just requires the barest of lip service to it's tenets, and be "saved." And then..>THEN you have the nerve to flaunt your "moral superiority."

@Masker
Didn't you hear? It's only the literal truth when it inconveniences OTHER people. Other than that, it's just parable and allegory.

3/29/2010 11:21:56 AM



Originally posted by Canadiest

Oh, I think this IS what a lot of Fundies believe and a lot of their churchs teach. It explains their defending of in house criminal activities and their stand that they ONLY answer to God, Not mans laws.

Thing is, this argument implies they are not subject ot any laws. He outright says, "You don't have to do anything Jesus said as long as you're saved!"

3/29/2010 2:57:38 PM

The Jamo

One would think that if this system of "salvation" was designed by a god, it would not be so stupid, nonsensical and pointlessly complicated.

3/29/2010 5:28:23 PM
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