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Did you guys ever consider as to why God killed these people off?

Most of these people openly insulted God, lied to Him, stole from Him or were living in a lifestyle totally contrary to how He designed us to live.

Doesn't the Bible say He is All loving? If He is all loving He'd have to also be perfectly Just, all knowing, omni-present... thats what He claims about Himself anyway.

From yalls reasoning the God of the Bible is eather lying, or doesn't exist. But i propose that Since He is perfect his judgment is also perfect. Just as water will never mix with oil, molecularly, never. But our view of perfect has been poisoned with the idea of that trait also entitling the Being with perfect/infinite toleration.

If me child says "NO" to me he is due a spanking, some for of discipline. If God, given everyone fair chance at obeying Him (like you'd expect a child to obey you with holding your hand while crossing the street for there own safety) and we say NO in His face through our actions/attitudes then why is it "unfair" for God to execute perfect judgment?

GodChaser, DwindlingInUnbelief 44 Comments [3/30/2010 3:47:59 AM]
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GodotIsWaiting4U

First off: Killing someone for an insult or a lie or just because you don't like how they're living is primitive at best and sociopathic at worst.

Secondly: "lying, or doesn't exist" Guess which one we think is the case? If you answered "lying", you're wrong.

Thirdly: If you spank your child just for saying "no" to you, you're a fucking asshole and need to be visited by child protection services.

3/30/2010 3:28:36 PM

FSM

Pointing something out:
I assume you never went to high school...
there is a thing called Chemistry

Water and oil will mix in an emulsion. Brownian motion keeps the water and oil mixed. Have you ever heard of something called mayonnaise? It is an emulsion of oil and vinegar...
Think before you speak.

3/30/2010 5:04:56 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

You CANNOT compare a disciplinary spanking on a childs ass for being disobedient to that of WIPING OUT AN ENTIRE CITY. And furthermore... dont you know your own precious Bible and Biblical God say that when a child is disobedient you dont "spank" him/her you throw rocks at it... until it DIES.

Some compassionate loving God your BIBLICAL God is... it makes sense now as to why he would committ these heinous acts and atrocities... might does NOT make right.... the God that I know and love and serve is LOVING GOOD AND ALLPOWERFUL without such HATEFUL bullshit, cruel actions, and stupidity.

Your "God" can fuck off. My God loves me and all of creation and this entire planet. GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE and actually READ your bible... its filled with horrible things no LOVING God could ever have the heart or soul to do!!!

3/30/2010 5:11:21 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

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dionysus

When's the last time you saw a parent kill and/or torture their child for saying "No"? If a child disobeys while crossing a street should the parent throw the child under the nearest bus?


3/30/2010 6:39:04 AM

AHAHAHAHHA DIONYSUS THAT MADE MY DAY... I LOL'd so loud at the absurd vision of that monstrous act... LMFAO

3/30/2010 5:15:17 PM

freako104

I should remember this when some idiot tells me I'm Satanic in my beliefs. Slaughtering cities is nowhere near discipline. It's an evil act your god uses in the OT and is a reason he is called evil, tyrannical, etc. He isn't disciplining anyone.

3/30/2010 6:56:15 PM



Your argument equating obeying God to obeying Biblical law is really moot, given that Biblical law was conceived and written by men.

3/30/2010 7:02:44 PM

WMDKitty

The difference, there, is that parents ACTUALLY EXIST, unlike your "god"....

3/30/2010 8:42:03 PM

dog on


"Did you guys ever consider as to why God killed these people off?"

"Doesn't the Bible say He is All loving?"

And a bit of a hypocrite.


"Most of these people openly insulted God, lied to Him, stole from Him or were living in a lifestyle totally contrary to how He designed us to live."

If so, then how can the next two sentences be correct?

"If He is all loving He'd have to also be perfectly Just, all knowing, omni-present..."

"Since He is perfect his judgment is also perfect."

Basically the whole argument Dogchaser makes is redundant.

3/31/2010 9:54:44 AM



Ok, if he's so picky, don't give us free will. Absurd.

4/1/2010 9:31:42 AM

Me

Except what god does is spank the child until it's dead, then sends it to a place where it burns forever. Hence, our problem.

4/1/2010 12:56:58 PM

The L

I don't think it is unfair to discipline or punish your child. (Discipline and punishment are NOT the same thing! One is proactive, the other is reactive.)

However, I do believe that the particular form of punishment known as spanking is brutal, humiliating, and capable of creating sexual confusion, and should therefore only be used as a last resort in cases of extreme misbehavior by a small child. (What's that you say? It doesn't create sexual confusion? Ever hear of a spanking fetish?)

4/2/2010 8:41:28 AM

jz456

"Just as water will never mix with oil,"

Add soap

4/14/2010 12:19:13 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Doesn't the Bible say He is All loving? If He is all loving He'd have to also be perfectly Just, all knowing, omni-present... thats what He claims about Himself anyway."

If that's the case, then he has no reason to kill anyone. If your child took a biscuit from the tin, would you torture him/her to death?

The Abrahamic God = Khorne from WH40K

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

And now you know why Atheism exists, GodChaser.

4/14/2010 9:04:03 AM

The Duelist

Notice how the prudish Fundies spend a lot of time talking about spanking?
They need to visit Castle Anthrax...

8/13/2010 2:28:53 PM

Crimson Lizard

I'm not a child, and haven't been for some time. If your god doesn't want to deal with me as a rational adult, then he can piss off.

6/7/2011 12:16:37 AM

Anon-e-moose

"If me child says "NO" to me he is due a spanking, some for of discipline. If God, given everyone fair chance at obeying Him (like you'd expect a child to obey you with holding your hand while crossing the street for there own safety) and we say NO in His face through our actions/attitudes then why is it "unfair" for God to execute perfect judgment?"

In all the twelve years I knew my father, he never so much as raised his voice, never mind his hand to me. If I was being bad, he simply sat me down and talked things over to me in a calm, reasoned manner. Mayhaps it was down to the fact that (as my mother told me years after he'd died) that he'd been beaten in his youth; usually because he was the nearest soft target by his father. That sort of experience can change a man's attitude when he becomes a parent himself

In those twelve years, he was a father I could trust. Respect. Love. It was the reason he instilled in me that which made me very much the man I am today. Non-confrontational (indeed, I avoid conflict like the plague; I've never been in a fight with anyone). Non-sexist (my father'd never had an argument with my mother, seeing as his father was a wife-beater as well). Also, an Atheist. 'Chip off the old block', and all that jazz.

He'd seen his father's treatment as unfair, thus he'd never acted that way to me. Now, with this 'father' you refer to as 'God', let me ask you - and for the sake of argument, he does exist. A couple of points, if I may:

1- If he's my 'father' (when he isn't my biological father), then he's the ultimate in absentee fathers.

2- What possible 'wrongdoing' by me could possibly warrant unimaginable - and infinitely painful - torture for eternity? Doesn't that make him the ultimate abusive father?

And we Atheists are supposed to not just 'worship', 'believe', nay, respect such a monster... how? Why? You tell me.

He did order the murder of someone else's son - by his own father, no less. Abraham & Isaac ring any bells, GodChaser?

Reading the sort of bullshit spewed out by fundies such as this on FSTDT, no wonder does the act of doing so reinforce not just my own Atheism, but my acknowledgement of the more than infinite superiority of not only Atheism, but Humanist morals.

6/7/2011 8:58:07 AM

Shadoboy

Oh! So murdering someone for not kissing your ass is "Perfect judgement"!

9/28/2011 2:24:11 PM

Phoenix

Because God says he will forgive us. Or at least, a couple Bronze Age nomads say so. Or probably, the Bible is a bunch of crap and we have nothing of that nature to worry about.

12/6/2011 5:56:25 PM



so as a kind and loving parent you are happy to let your child run into a busy road without you because they refused to hold your hand ?

Perhaps next time they disobey you , you could stuff them in a barrel , soak them in gasoline , and start a fire.

12/8/2011 10:28:05 PM
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