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If you are elderly you will be denied care. They won't say denial, it will be called a "waiting list." A needed life saving surgery will be put on a five year waiting list. Sure you will die if you don't get the operation in 6 months, but thems the breaks.

Oh and every five years during your retirement, you will be asked to commit suicide. I'm expecting forged signatures will be commonplace.

It will be the same if you know someone who is mentally handicapped, they will be denied care...they don't contribute to society, so they are too expensive to spend scarce health care dollars on.

If you have an expensive condition, like cancer...you will die. There may be life saving procedures available, but you won't get them. Its cheaper for you to die.

The bottom line is this: If this health care bill is so great, why did congress exempt themselves from it? Yes they and their families will get better care than you will.

MrMannn, Rapture Ready 70 Comments [3/30/2010 3:53:18 AM]
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Bender Bending Rodriguez

Oh and every five years during your retirement, you will be asked to commit suicide.

Citation please. And if you say no, what's going to happen to you? Is the government going to kill you on the spot?

Yes they and their families will get better care than you will.

Um, they already do. If you weren't aware of this, then you've been living under a rock this whole time. How do you manage to draw breath every morning?

3/30/2010 9:20:14 PM

myheadhurts

What bill are you talking about?

3/30/2010 10:03:28 PM



"If you have an expensive condition, like cancer...you will die. There may be life saving procedures available, but you won't get them. Its cheaper for you to die."
This is true regardless of new or old Health Care System. It's due to the fact that you mix insurance companies into making health decisions, at all.
Health care should be based on medical needs, not on profit making.

3/30/2010 10:50:33 PM

Haseen

That's very Christian of you to flat out lie about health care reform. And it's better not to regulate health care in any way, because the corporations aaaaalways have your back. Especially if they directly profit from not paying for your health care. A government conspiracy that wants to kill everyone for no apparent reason is totally more believable than letting people die for profit.

3/30/2010 11:15:41 PM

IrishSoldierLaddie

Yet another stunning display of intelligence from the far-right.

This just in folks: You die from cancer!!!!1! Who would've thunk it?

3/31/2010 2:37:37 AM

Blasphemina

I'll bet that MrGirlyMannn here has private insurance, and I'm getting so that I think that people who have that luxury (myself included) almost don't have a right to an opinion on this issue. How dare someone who CAN afford to go to a doctor or be hospitalized try to deny that right to someone who can't? Oh, yes, MrMannn, I did say it's a RIGHT. And if you don't believe it is, then you're unAmerican and unChristian.

3/31/2010 3:29:02 AM



"I work oncology and I can't begin to express the disgust I feel for insurance providers as it is. Someone with NO insurance gets the best of the best because the DOCTOR gets to decide the treatment. Those that have slaved their asses off and have insurance have to go through a hell of a lot of red tape and in the end, the insurance companies get the final say and it is usually the CHEAPEST most least effective!"

This is why you make so much less money than doctors, because you have your head up your ass. The doctor SHOULD be the one deciding the course of treatment along with the patient, NOT the insurance companies. They should have no decision-making power as to treatment whatsoever.

Furthermore, just because someone doesn't have insurance doesn't mean that they don't deserve the very best treatment. EVERYONE DOES. With your shitty attitude towards doctors and your patients, I'd say the healthcare field is the last place you ought to be working.

3/31/2010 3:35:56 AM



This doesn't happen in reality. Ask any country with healthcare.

3/31/2010 4:08:49 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

You just described the insurance companies.

With one exception: they don't have the honesty to simply ask you to kill yourself so they can stop paying, since that would be bad and wrong. Instead they just passively-aggressively make things as difficult as possible until you think of doing it all by yourself, which is perfectly fine.

3/31/2010 4:13:58 AM

nazani14

One part of the bill that many object to is making everyone who can afford it buy health insurance. We already force people to get car insurance and wear seat belts- not for their safety, but so they won't drain public funds so much.
Several years ago my Daughter and I were nearly killed by a driver with no health insurance and undiagnosed hypertension. She blacked out and her foot hit the accelerator. Right now, such people are all around you, maybe even driving your kid's school bus.

3/31/2010 5:30:45 AM

Nowonmai

The reason Congress exempted themselves is that their health care is already taken care of via tax payer dollars.

As for the rest of your doom crying, pure bullshit.

3/31/2010 5:36:12 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Oh and every five years during your retirement, you will be asked to commit suicide"

Now where have I heard that before? Hmmmm... oh yes, that's right:

'Renew... Renew... RENEW!'

PROTIP: The film "Logan's Run" is not a documentary.

3/31/2010 7:41:35 AM

rfraudreignz

To 1141164

I think you misunderstand or I typed wrong. It isn't fair for the doctor's to have little say in someone's treatment. That is how it is now. the insurance companies are the ones saying what people get medicine wise. Not the doctor's, in essence, the insurance companies with no medical knowledge have the doctors' by the balls. Do you not see the snare that insurance providers provide?? They chose your fate. Not the doctor. Unless of course you decide to pay for your treatment out of your own pocket, which is usually what ends up happening.... and then the bills pour in.

BTW the doctors and patients and their families like me a great deal as I share a common frustration with the whole treatment system as it is. Sorry if I mistyped or any ambiguity. My head is firmly on its shoulders...

3/31/2010 9:52:04 AM

dog on

Hello, I'm MrMannn and I just make shit up as I go along!

3/31/2010 11:18:12 AM

Reckoner

If you have an expensive condition, like cancer...you will die. There may be life saving procedures available, but you won't get them. Its cheaper for you to die.

How is this any different from what health insurance companies are already doing?

3/31/2010 2:22:02 PM

JD

Even if it WERE true, a 5 year waiting list is a lot better than a flat "no, go fuck yourself" by the for-profit insurance company that's still gonna charge you your monthly premiums despite refusing to pay for your treatments...

4/1/2010 7:40:32 AM



Waiting list means that they will have to wait because there are a lot of people waiting, not an outright denial like with the current system. Try to read the bill for a while.

4/1/2010 9:22:59 AM

The L

"If you are elderly you will be denied care. They won't say denial, it will be called a "waiting list." A needed life saving surgery will be put on a five year waiting list. Sure you will die if you don't get the operation in 6 months, but thems the breaks."

This sounds exactly like our old health-care system, especially when the "needed life-saving surgery" is an organ transplant. Some people have to wait over a decade for a kidney.

"It will be the same if you know someone who is mentally handicapped, they will be denied care...they don't contribute to society, so they are too expensive to spend scarce health care dollars on."

Insurance companies used to do this all the time--ever hear of "pre-existing conditions?" Yeah, the new bill GOT RID OF THIS PROBLEM.

"If you have an expensive condition, like cancer...you will die. There may be life saving procedures available, but you won't get them. Its cheaper for you to die."

You mean like all the uninsured Americans who've had to die because they couldn't afford to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on life-saving medical treatment? Your hypocrisy is showing, dear.

"The bottom line is this: If this health care bill is so great, why did congress exempt themselves from it?"

Because when you make millions of dollars a year, you can afford to pay all your medical expenses out-of-pocket AND buy your way to the top of the waiting lists. You can also afford to go to Europe, where medicine is more advanced, and get new experimental treatments there that are banned in the United States.

The uber-rich don't need insurance and never have. It's regular Joes who actually need health insurance, and the new law will make it easier for them to get it.

4/2/2010 8:29:09 AM



Well, I think real socialized medicine would be better and cheaper, as consistently recorded around the rest of the world. Still, this is better than just not giving a fuck.

7/7/2011 12:06:01 AM

Feral Dog

Yeah, my sister-in-law's defective baby bankrupted their family because insurance wouldn't cover the care of a terminally ill, neuropathic, circling-the drain, literally mindless (what little brain he has is degenerating due to seizures and neural death) two-year old.

Oh-so-scary Obamacare won't save the lil' defect, but it would have kept the rest of the family in their nice two-story house while they kept him alive and in pain unnecessarily and post five million pro-life things per day.

4/21/2012 1:39:11 AM
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