Quote# 71786

The human eye occupies about 1 - 4000th the area of the human body. What is the likely hood of the eye evolving on the body? Answer 4000 to 1.

What are the odds of two eyes *simultaneously* evolving on the human body? Answer, since there would be 2 the odds would be 16,000,000 to 1!

letusreason, BBC Meessageboard Religion and Ethics 125 Comments [3/30/2010 3:55:06 AM]
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Anon-e-moose

"The human eye occupies about 1 - 4000th the area of the human body. What is the likely hood of the eye evolving on the body? Answer 4000 to 1.

What are the odds of two eyes *simultaneously* evolving on the human body? Answer, since there would be 2 the odds would be 16,000,000 to 1!"

There's a lot of lifeforms on Earth that beat those odds extremely easily. All the fish. All the reptiles. All the birds. All the mammals.

Including the great apes. Especially the common ancestor from which the early hominids, and thus Homo Sapiens, descended from

Good job in simultaneously proving Evolution, and destroying your own argument, letusreason.

3/30/2010 7:39:02 AM

Mrs. Antichrist

Biology fail, probability fail, logic fail, etc.

... we've got failure on all fronts.

3/30/2010 7:50:03 AM

Porky Pine

Math wasn't your favorite subject, was it?

3/30/2010 7:53:21 AM

Mookie Blaylock

Mathematics fail, logic fail, sanity fail...

3/30/2010 8:05:19 AM

caustic gnostic

Congrats. Well done. <snicker>

3/30/2010 8:08:11 AM

My word, this fails at EVERYTHING!

3/30/2010 8:18:29 AM

Zeus Almighty

And your penis is smaller than the pubic hair of a mouse.
What are the odds of that developing?

3/30/2010 8:18:51 AM

John_in_Oz

And following that reasoning, letus would never in the history of the universe get an eye on his dick or his brain!

(I know the Fundie used the name 'letusreason', not just 'letus', but seriously, after having read their post, who could possibly apply that user-name to them with a straight face?)

3/30/2010 8:35:30 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Wow, is that ever stupid.

Additionally the odds against eyes evolving were MUCH greater than 4000-1 and yet eyes have evolved independently at least 40 times. You see, when you mix billions of generations over billions of years...oh fuck it.

3/30/2010 8:52:15 AM

werewolf

Math is hard. Making something up is easier.

3/30/2010 8:54:45 AM

> What is the likely hood of the eye evolving on the body? Answer 4000 to 1.
> Answer, since there would be 2 the odds would be 16,000,000 to 1!

And yet, here you are, with two eyes. Evolution is a true miracle, isn't it?

3/30/2010 9:02:03 AM

Anon-e-moose

@John_in_Oz

"(I know the Fundie used the name 'letusreason', not just 'letus', but seriously, after having read their post, who could possibly apply that user-name to them with a straight face?)"

Frankly, he'd be better off with the username 'lettucereason'. Because even a greenleafed salad vegetable has more reason (& logic) than him.

3/30/2010 9:38:48 AM

Almafeta

@Anon-e-moose: Wouldn't that mean that eyes are independently evolved several times per day?

3/30/2010 9:40:47 AM

BlackMageJ

According to the Bible, Azrael (the angel of death) is made all of eyes, one for every human who has ever lived, is living, and will ever live, and as each human dies their eye closes.

Now, for the sake of ridiculing you, let's ignore the past and future bit, that's nearly 7 billion eyes on one being (for every person currently alive).

If he's made all of eyes, then each eye is one 7 billionth of his body. And there are seven billion eyes.

7 billion to the power of 7 billion is way more than even the most ridiculous estimate of "the odds of a human evolving by chance" that have been claimed here and assumed to mean it's impossible, therefore...

The odds of Azrael existing are small enough to be considered impossible, therefore part of the bible is wrong, therefore all of the bible is wrong, therefore God doesn't exist.

Or you're just a moron.

Or both.

3/30/2010 9:41:01 AM

Sisyphus

FFS! Seriously? SERIOUSLY?!?!?! I think my brain is going to explode if I read any more of this tripe. WTF is wrong with you people?

3/30/2010 9:54:19 AM

Parallax

And i thought that i failed at math....

3/30/2010 9:56:48 AM

campbunny

I had to re-read this over and over again to make sure my eyes weren't fooling me.

3/30/2010 10:03:25 AM

John

Most animals have some kind of "eye", ranging from light-sensitive spots (snails and scallops) to elaborate eyes such as the squid or octopus, with almost every intermediate form you can think of. And all animals, with the exception of sponges and jellyfish, are bilateral, with a matched pair of almost everything. So, actually, evolving one eye would be more unlikely than two.

Also, since skin covers 100% of our bodies, I guess we must have evolved our skin, then God put eyes in it (cue "rolling eyes" smiley)

3/30/2010 10:11:42 AM

D Laurier

"What is the likelyhood of the eye evolving on the body?"

"What are the odds of two eyes *simultaneously* evolving on the human body?"
and you will notice that there is not one documented case of two new eyes evolving on a human body... exactly as predicted by the theory of evolution.

3/30/2010 10:14:51 AM

Godbuster

The fact that we have eyes means the probability is 1:1.

3/30/2010 10:16:20 AM

AuraTwilight

You know, even if this was correct, do you know how astronomically likely 16 million to 1 is to happen when you have BILLIONS OF YEARS?

3/30/2010 10:20:02 AM

Um, letusreason, how about you let US reason?

3/30/2010 10:24:40 AM

Amanda

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read, and that's saying a lot. Eyes didn't just pop out on the body by chance!

3/30/2010 10:35:35 AM

Sasha

This is pretty desperate even for a creationist.

3/30/2010 10:46:48 AM

Dr. Wily

...wait, what?!

3/30/2010 10:55:35 AM

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