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The human eye occupies about 1 - 4000th the area of the human body. What is the likely hood of the eye evolving on the body? Answer 4000 to 1.

What are the odds of two eyes *simultaneously* evolving on the human body? Answer, since there would be 2 the odds would be 16,000,000 to 1!

letusreason, BBC Meessageboard Religion and Ethics 125 Comments [3/30/2010 3:55:06 AM]
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Math, probability, and biology do not work that way.

3/30/2010 11:00:42 AM


Homeschool math? Score another victory for stupid!

3/30/2010 11:21:48 AM


Statistics- The most assraped of all the sciences.

This is like cutting open a kiwi fruit and being astounded that the two halves are mirror images of each other. It's statistically impossible, man! Praise Jebus!

Oh, and don't get me started on the whole "the eye could only possibly evolve in one place of the body" mega-misuse of logic.

3/30/2010 11:42:02 AM

Old Viking

Does nearsightedness tip the calculation in any manner?

3/30/2010 11:51:06 AM

You fail Mathematics, logic, statistics, biology, and anatomy forever.

3/30/2010 12:08:27 PM



The eye predates humans by as much as a billion phucking years. Even if this poor sap's grasp of statistics were correct he ignores the fact that it's not necessary for each individual species to evolve its own eyes.

3/30/2010 12:21:22 PM


Now do brain cells! Oh wait....

3/30/2010 12:22:28 PM


By that standard, people should all have wings, since the wings needed to lift a human would have to be fucking huge. Therefore, the "odds" are great.

3/30/2010 12:56:54 PM

Bill M.


3/30/2010 1:01:35 PM


The anal sphincter takes up only 0.1% of the body's mass. The head contains the brain, which consumes the most oxygen of any organ. The probability of a fundie's head being pushed up his anal sphincter is 1.

3/30/2010 1:13:50 PM

Sandwich Board

Spiders. Spiders with eight eyes. What are the odds of that?!

Flies. Compound eyes. Oh, my!

3/30/2010 1:45:51 PM

We're bilaterally symmetric, you idiot...

3/30/2010 2:10:55 PM

Pillsbury Poe Boy

The human eye as we know it had completely evolved in great apes, with binocular stereoptic vision, RGB color perception.

3/30/2010 2:13:09 PM


This is... an abomination.

3/30/2010 2:35:01 PM


@ rw23:

None. He doesn't believe in 'evil-lution'.

Also, he is a dolt.

3/30/2010 2:46:32 PM


For the sake of my SAN score, let's just look at the first sentence and see what's wrong with it.

"The human eye occupies about 1 - 4000th the area of the human body."

We can note that the author seems to confuse area with volume. The human body, along with its components, is a three-dimensional object. Consequently, it has a volume, not an area. Trying to apply the notion of area on a 3D object is as nonsensical as trying to determine the number of (dimensionless) points in a line segment. And while it is true that the surface of the human body has an area, the ocular globes are still 3D objects themselves, and not part of this surface in any way.

Concerning the rest of the message... is there such a thing as lovecraftian stupidity ? Things man was not meant to ignore ? 'cause methinks this may be dangerously close to it.

3/30/2010 3:25:16 PM


You completely fail to understand probability.

You also seem to be laboring under the delusion that humans sprung fully formed from nothing. While this is consistent with creationism, it is NOT consistent with evolution. Evolution works by improving on what's already present, making it actually quite easy to make large changes so long as a basic framework is generally preserved.

3/30/2010 3:46:25 PM

Greasetrap The Viking

Actually, without addressing your *horrible* excuse for logic, the eye probably had much less chance of evolving than that.
By chance, we have eyes instead of having one (or two) of billions of other possible anatomical features that could have evolved. This is not an argument against evolution, any more than the location a feather lands when dropped from a plane is an argument against physics.

3/30/2010 3:50:21 PM

Abdul Alhazred

Mathematics does not work this way.

3/30/2010 4:29:30 PM

The Jamo

Math fail.
Biology fail.
Punctuation fail.
Grammar fail.

That's a lot of fail for two lines of text.

3/30/2010 4:33:10 PM


er, eyes evolved before humans..

3/30/2010 5:15:52 PM

Horus IX

letus(NOT)reason, You have failed on so many levels that you need to go back to grade school/

3/30/2010 5:59:10 PM


That only works if you assume that the human form is a goal. Evolution makes no such assumption as such, it doesn't matter if your eyes are on your head or on your ass as long as they can see it's more beneficial than being blind.

3/30/2010 7:06:39 PM


The human eye occupies about 1 - 4000th the area of the human body.

And that has what to do with evolution? Evolution is not governed by the principle

What is the likely hood of the eye evolving on the body? Answer 4000 to 1.

No, the odds of your example are 0. Eyes, or any other body part for that matter, don't evolve "on" a human body, they evolved long before humanity and they didn't evolve independently on humans there were present on our ancestors. We have many, many examples in nature of the eye at nearly every stage of development.

What are the odds of two eyes *simultaneously* evolving on the human body

It doesn't matter what the odds are because no one who knows anything about human evolution or the development of the eye is claiming that eyes developed independantly on humans or that they developed seperately and simultaniously from one another.

Answer, since there would be 2 the odds would be 16,000,000 to 1!

So did you fail at math or were you homeschooled?

3/30/2010 7:08:18 PM

PROBLEM SOLVED! This man single handedly disproved evolution. Give him a medal!

3/30/2010 7:13:17 PM

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