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Examining the psychology of atheism, Spiegel cites Paul C. Vitz who revealed a link between atheism and fatherlessness...

"It appears that the psychological fallout from a defective father must be combined with rebellion – a persistent immoral response of some sort, such as resentment, hatred, vanity, unforgiveness, or abject pride. And when that rebellion is deep or protracted enough, atheism results," Spiegel explains.

chancie, The Christian Post 103 Comments [3/30/2010 4:02:06 AM]
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All the atheists I know do not fall under that category. Not one of them. One even has a better relationship with his dad than his mum. So fail.

3/30/2010 4:05:15 AM

Blaidd Drwg

Let me be the first to say it:


3/30/2010 4:07:02 AM


The only thing that links atheism and a bad relationship with parents is when they are total asshats and reject their kid for not following Jebus

3/30/2010 4:10:32 AM


What is it with Christians and insisting that a lack of a father/father figure in your life makes you gay or an atheist? What about the people who do have fathers/father figures who are gay/atheists or those that don't and aren't gay/atheist?

Then again, it's not like evidence ever mattered to them...

3/30/2010 4:11:33 AM


I just showed this quote to my dad. He thinks this is the most ludicrous thing he's seen in a while.

3/30/2010 4:19:02 AM


Or maybe they're just people who can think for themselves?

3/30/2010 4:20:39 AM


Curiously, my relationship with my dad is iffy at best, yet he's always been atheist to the point of anti-theism. I'm an atheist to by my own choosing and reasoning. Explain that.

3/30/2010 4:33:11 AM


Well to be honest my relationship with my father was a little rocky at times in my teen years, though who's wasn't? Though it didn't contribute to my atheism.

My relationship with one of my sister's on the other hand, let's just say on Thanksgiving the turkey isn't the only thing you can cut with a knife...Four years without talking to her outside of these family get togethers.

3/30/2010 4:43:22 AM


Wait, they actually did "studies" on this?

3/30/2010 4:49:36 AM


Fundiepychobabble, yeah citation needed.

3/30/2010 5:01:11 AM

Mister Spak

"resentment, hatred, vanity, unforgiveness, or abject pride."

Sounds more like fundieism than atheism.

3/30/2010 5:07:46 AM


My relationship with my father did not deteriorate until after it was too late to change my mind on religion or any thing for that matter.

Let's see:

Rebellion, check. Comes from having over protective parents. I wasn't rebelling against their ideologies just curfew.

Persistent Immoral response. Don't have one of those. I judge my actions from moment to moment to determine the right path.

Resentment. Check. If your parents refused to show up at your wedding you would resent them too.

Hatred. No, don't have that. I get mildly irritated at the best of times.

Vanity. Check. I have a brain unlike fundies, and I'm quite proud of it. What a sin.

Unforgiveness. Check. The people who insist you must forgive them are the ones who will bother you the most in the future. My ability not to forgive removes such persons from my life, resulting in less stress.

Abject pride. And here we come to my greatest beef with this guy. I am prideful. I am proud of my native country, and my adoptive one, proud of my abilities, of my wife, of my sports team (although not the Maple Leafs). I am proud of may things. But I have to ask what in the hell is Abject Pride. Abject usually represents debasement, dirtiness of some sort, or that's how I learned English. See pride is healthy, it allows us to make value judgments. i.e. Am I proud of what I am saying, doing, thinking. It's the people who live in abject fear (see what I did there by using abject in the correct way?) tend to be the worst for society and their fellow man in general.

Citation needed.
And honestly and from the bottom of my heart go fuck yourself.

3/30/2010 5:08:32 AM


I hate F5.

3/30/2010 5:09:17 AM

Paul C. Vitz who revealed a link between atheism and fatherlessness

There is no link and Vitz is full of shit. 'Nuf said.

3/30/2010 5:23:49 AM


Vitz' study is rather outdated. It neglected two revolutionary advances in the techniques used for data gathering that the best of his day had not considered, namely actually doing a little research and not pulling shit out of your ass when you don't like the results of said research.

Yeah, I know, those are some crazy ideas right?

3/30/2010 5:31:37 AM

The boy your mother warned you about

For some reason I was reminded of the episode of The Simpsons called "The Monkey Suit" and the scene with "scientist" who had a Ph. D. in "Truthology" from "Christian Tech".

3/30/2010 5:51:14 AM


Please people. There is no need to drag one's parents into this.

3/30/2010 5:55:11 AM


I have always had a great relationship with my father. He's the one who encouraged me to use my head, even as it led me to reject his religion. Funny thing is, now he seems to have rejected his religion too.
I don't buy the "daddy issues" rubbish. When are these apologists going to realize that sometimes (most of the time I figure) people turn to atheism because the bullshit that is religion simply becomes impossible to swallow anymore.

3/30/2010 5:56:08 AM


Wait a minute, I thought that fatherlessness was a cause of the Gay?

3/30/2010 5:57:55 AM


[citation needed, motherfucker]

edit: Norman...marry me. Srsly. Lol.

3/30/2010 6:03:14 AM

Doubting Thomas

I had a great relationship with my father. That's not why I became atheist, though. It all had to do with lack of evidence for a god and prayers that always went unanswered.

3/30/2010 6:04:05 AM


Um, I'm an Atheist, and me and my dad get along great for the most part. So I call bullshit.

3/30/2010 6:05:44 AM


He has no statistics or research of any kind to support this. Doesn't matter to his kind, it's the repeating of the accusations that matter, a piling on of lies to demonize the unbeliever. The flock will eat it up even though they know 'Good Christians' who have abadoned their families or are incarcerated.

3/30/2010 6:25:47 AM

Big Jilm

Bullshit. Atheism isn't a learned behavior based on a bad/maladaptive(subjective) childhood experience.

Everyone is born atheist. One only becomes a theist after they are taught (coerced/indoctorinated).

So nice try.

3/30/2010 6:30:14 AM


Hmm, my dad and I get along great. Granted, I'm a theistic Agnostic and he's very much atheist, but we still get along fine! Going up a generation, my parents get along fine with their respective fathers, so I still call BS.

3/30/2010 6:35:11 AM

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