If you doubt the authenticity of the bible I suggest you do your homework and test that. Youll find that the bible is? the most consistently reproduced historical document with the most authentic copies at approx 5600 with the closest contender being Homers Illiad at 643 & Sophocles at 193. History is proven by consistent verification by multiple sources not fairy tales. More proof of the existence of Jesus than anyone else in the world many X over.
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"History is proven by consistent verification by multiple sources not fairy tales. More proof of the existence of Jesus than anyone else in the world many X over."
So close... then fail! Copies of the same thing don't count as more proof, idiot. By that logic, we should all be worshiping McDonald's hamburgers.
There is NO verification of Jesus other than the bible. Why did one single person find jesus important enough to write about him in his time? Why is his image not imprinted on any coins? How come there are no statues in his honor from the first century.
How fucking stupid are you?
So does this person believe in the story in the Illiad, then?
After all, if having the most copies of the Bible makes it true because it counts as "consistent verification by multiple sources" and the Illiad has the second highest count of authentic copies, surely that means it's true as well?
So why isn't this person worshipping grey-eyed Athena, then?
@ Cy
>Athena, the Greek goddess of wisdom, war, the arts, industry, justice and skill.
OK, she gets my vote, uh, except for the war part.
First fucking page:
God doesn't realize the existence/understand the mechanism of photosynthesis.
That's a pretty bad start. Usually, when you open a book and see bullshit right off the bat, you can bet your ass the rest will follow suit.
"If you doubt the authenticity of the bible I suggest you do your homework and test that."
Your Bible gets it completely wrong from the first paragraph and it only goes downhill from there.
"Youll find that the bible is? the most consistently reproduced historical document with the most authentic copies at approx 5600 with the closest contender being Homers Illiad at 643 & Sophocles at 193."
Even if this were true, which it's not, I don't see how this is supposed to actually mean anything.
"History is proven by consistent verification by multiple sources not fairy tales."
Multiple sources? Well, sure, I suppose. Unfortunately, all of those sources are Christian sources to begin with and all of the authors were pushing Christianity . So, where are the independent sources? How about hostile sources that mention these events and miracles? Why aren't there any sources for any of these supposed events that don't appear in your Bible?
"More proof of the existence of Jesus than anyone else in the world many X over."
The fact that I've typed this is more evidence of my existence than all the evidence in the world that Jesus existed as described in your Bible.
The only documents mentioning Jesus are the ones making up the Bible. There is no conclusive mention of him anywhere else. Furthermore, the accounts in the Bible differ significantly on his lineage, his life, his resurrection, etc.
The Bible is not multiple sources. Its books were arbitrarily chosen by Church council, to exclude the more preposterous candidates. And yet, it contains stories of impossible events, requiring even more evidence than usual.
"If you doubt the authenticity of the bible"
Oh, I do, I do.
"I suggest you do your homework and test that."
No, you really don't want that. I've done my homework and I and others have been testing the Bible and have found it inaccurate and contradictory at almost every turn.
"Youll find that the bible is? the most consistently reproduced historical document with the most authentic copies at approx 5600 with the closest contender being Homers Illiad at 643 & Sophocles at 193."
The number of copies of something is irrelevent to its accuracy. Besides, you can't show that any of those Bible copies has any "authentic" reproductions of what the original scribes wrote.
"History is proven by consistent verification by multiple sources not fairy tales."
Just plain false.
"More proof of the existence of Jesus than anyone else in the world many X over."
Again, just plain false. There is no credible proof that the biblical Jesus ever lived.
So by this logic, any bestseller would automatically be true.
Oh dear jebus, do you know what this means for "Twilight"? D:
>Most consistently reproduced
All that means is that someone cared enough to copy it a lot. Doesn't mean it's true. This isn't consistent verification by multiple sources; it's replication of the same source.
Homer's Iliad is known to be a myth, because it constantly describes gods and other bullshit. Has a lot in common with your Bible at that.
Just figured out what Kingkonyew means by "consistently reproduced historical document with the most authentic copies at approx 5600"
Sounds impressive, other than the fact that it ISNT. We have approx 5600 pieces of various copies of copies of copies (etc) of the "books" of the new testament. If I recall correctly, none of them are complete. They are in parts, parts ofpages, etc. Other than the very smallest parts (the smallest part of a page being the size of a credit card containing a couple of sentences of John) NONE of them are consistent. In fact, there are so many errors in them that they cant even be counted. Estimates are between 200,000 and 300,000. More errors in those copies of copies (etc) than there are words in the entire new testament. And these stories that were put forth in the babble, are not even consistent between the gospels or epistles. I call bullshit on your claim of "consistently reproduced historical document" claim.
And another thing. I can produce more proof that I exist than your jeebus.Period.
Wow, I don't think you could get more stupid than this. So yeah, this means that all of those Greek gods are true, and Muhammed going to heaven on a flying horse must be real then, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster is too, and vampires and centaurs and unicorns are real.
On how old the bible is... Hinduism is the oldest major organized religion, thousands of years before Christianity. The old testament is accredited to Judaism and Islam as well, so that point of your argument is null.
On your other point, should we be worshipping Don Quixote and Harry Potter, too?
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"More proof of the existence of Jesus than anyone else in the world many X over."
Again, just plain false. There is no credible proof that the biblical Jesus ever lived.
Im not playing KingKongYew's advocate here... but I will say this... crazy as this persons logic is.... this statement you have made papabear can only be semi-debunked by a little artifact known as The Shroud Of Turin or "The Shroud of Jesus Christ."
it is the ONLY artifact we have in possession that may provide some credibility to his existence but of course speculatively as a NORMAL HUMAN MAN THAT DID WALK THE FACE OF THIS EARTH AND DID MAKE CLAIMS HE WAS THE "SON OF GOD" AND WAS CRUCIFIED.
that is honestly the extent of its credibility and there is still much debate over it... but even scientists cannot explain it away and there is much controversy over it.
Not backing KinKongYew's insane claims or stupidity... but I am just saying we may have proof of his existence (but never the proof he was the Son of God as he claimed)
article can be found here on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin
Multiple sources. Not the same source multiple times.
@Philbertsecurity (symbolised by the shield Aegis); what you're thinking of was the domain of Ares (a bit of a boofhead, whom Athena often had occasion to whack upside the head).
Well he pretty concisely proved to me that the Bible, in fact, does exist. He makes a pretty good case for the existence of the Iliad as well. I think I read somewhere that Herodotus' Histories exist too, so by reading that, I will also know that a passing army of 2 million is capable of drinking an entire river dry, but for some reason, one of the largest cities in the world located on the same River never seems to do it. I guess we are too decadent in the modern world to drink that much.
Books whos basic stories are as old as the first assembled Bible. Stories that contain just as much history and facts as the Bible, none.
As for the Shroud of Turin comment "that is honestly the extent of its credibility and there is still much debate over it... but even scientists cannot explain it away and there is much controversy over it."
The cloth isn't old enough ( the weave is too modern in respect)to be from 2000 years ago, there's been paint found on it and pigments derived from plants, they won't let the scientest look at it anymore since those discoveries. It's bullshit
"If you doubt the authenticity of the bible I suggest you do your homework and test that."
Already have:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
Oh, and what not only brings the 'authenticity' of your book of fairytales written by Bronze Age goatfuckers with ideas above their stations into question, but makes doubting such a foregone conclusion (not taking into account the above contradictions) can be summed up in just two words:
Talking snake.
"Youll find that the bible is? the most consistently reproduced historical document with the most authentic copies at approx 5600 with the closest contender"
So? Therefore based on your logic, the "Harry Potter" books are an actual factual document of how a boy wizard went up against the dark forces of Lord Voldemort, is that what you're saying? On it's first publishing, "On the Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin sold more than the Bible itself.
The Iliad. PROTIP: The word 'Bible' comes from the Greek word Biblios , meaning 'Book'. Therefore all books are Bibles; ergo even the manga on my bookshelves are actual documented fact . Q.E. and D., bitch.
"More proof of the existence of Jesus than anyone else in the world many X over."
Ramses II. We even have his mummified body. Your argument is invalid.
You didn't even have a decent greek language bible until the 3rd century. At first, many christians didn't even accept the translation, because they thought that the jews who had helped make one were falsifying the prophets to deny Jesus' divinity.
So, you're saying that the Iliad is also authentic history?
The Harry Potter series has more consistency than the Bible does. More proof of the existence of Harry Potter than... Oh, what the heck.
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