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I've read the Bible. Its say on abortion is basically non-existent.
4/6/2010 4:11:25 AM
..."as well as abortion etc."
I really wish I wasn't at work so I could post a whole bunch of facepalm.
4/6/2010 4:12:59 AM
"The Bible is very, very clear on the issue of...."
BULLSHIT.....That is all I can reply. The Bible is far from clear and can only, at best, be taken as a guide, not as law.
4/6/2010 4:15:16 AM
"Exd 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine]."
That's pretty much all it says about abortion and even then it's not clear. It's also more to do with the woman and an assault on her person and it's dealt with by a fine and a punch in the face or similar.
4/6/2010 4:18:29 AM
Actually, the Bible is clear on very few things. It doesn't really mention abortion anywhere, and the six "clobber passages" that you homophobes like to cite don't refer to same-sex relationships between two consenting adults. If you actually read the proper translations, you see that the Bible seems to be silent on the issue of homosexuality itself.
4/6/2010 4:20:42 AM
This is how all debates are won in free republic.
4/6/2010 4:23:18 AM
Funny how they always say "the Bible is very clear on...." yet never provide the passages proving it.
4/6/2010 4:30:44 AM
The bible is a myth, Case Closed.
4/6/2010 4:46:36 AM
How convenient that, if I were to argue with you, you'd say I don't have the Spirit of God within me, thus rendering everything I say faulty.
Unless I say that I DO have that Spirit thing, which you can't disprove in a way that can't also be used to disprove your claim that you do have that spirit, in which case I'm the ultimate authority on the bible.
Blagh, fundie logic makes my brains hurt.
4/6/2010 4:58:38 AM
Very clear but you have to have the Spirit of God in you to see it's very clear =/= very clear.
4/6/2010 5:02:00 AM
The Bible is never, ever "very, very clear" on anything, let alone homosexuality and abortions.
What the "etc" is here, I have no idea. Shellfish-eating? Mixed-fiber-cloth-wearing? Working on the Sabbath? Witch-burnings? Coveting thy neighbor's house?
Does the Bible mention lesbianism at all? Chapter and verse, please.
Incest and rofie-rapes seem to be fine and dandy, according to the Bible; just look at Lot's daughters. (Genesis 19:30-38)
4/6/2010 5:08:52 AM
So how long have you believed that you were inhabited by the spirit of a sock puppet?
The Bible is as clear as mud so the clerics can make it say whatever they want it to. It's an owner's manual for a significant segment of the human race. It is an abortion. Case closed.
4/6/2010 5:38:26 AM
Anybody that believes otherwise, simply does not have the Spirit of God within them, Case Closed!!
Fine. I'm spiritless then. Big F'ing deal. I'm soooooooo saddened now for my miserable, pointless existence.
However, we're still equals in the eyes of the US law including our citizenship. You're no better than I, I'm no better than you. So you've got one on me spiritually. I don't really care. Enjoy it for all it's worth. But don't ever try to use it against me. You will fail.
4/6/2010 5:49:57 AM
The bible not only endorses abortion, but also infanticide.
It does however condem wearing mixed fibers, being born of a mixed race couple,
inter-racial marriage, eating shellfish, and shaving.
4/6/2010 5:54:35 AM
Anyone using the bible as an authority on anything has automatically lost the argument.
4/6/2010 6:13:40 AM
"The Bible is very, very clear on the issue of homosexuality,"
And eating shellfish. Or being disfigured. Or wearing mixed fabrics. Or trimming your beard.
"as well as abortion etc."
It says nothing about abortion and the "etc." that it mentions is as relevant as everything I've written above.
"There is not even any room for discussion on either of these issues."
Since one's not mentioned at all and the other seems quite extreme in its views I'm pretty sure there's a lot of room for discussion.
"Anybody that believes otherwise, simply does not have the Spirit of God within them,"
Then again, neither does anyone who does believe those things.
Shouldn't that be, "Mind Closed!!"?
4/6/2010 6:21:24 AM
Nothing quite says "I don't have a good argument" like "But the Bible says so!"
4/6/2010 6:22:21 AM
Why is it that everyone who talks about having the "Spirit of God within them" is such an unbearable prick?
4/6/2010 6:36:01 AM
"The Bible is very, very clear on the issue of homosexuality, as well as abortion etc. There is not even any room for discussion on either of these issues. Anybody that believes otherwise, simply does not have the Spirit of God within them, Case Closed!!"
"We don't have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. It’s written in the Bible."
Thus the hypocrisy (and therefore the infinite evil) of right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity. I rest my case.
4/6/2010 6:40:58 AM
JSS"The Bible is very, very clear on the issue of homosexuality"
Not exactly. Sodom and Gomorrah were both condemned before the scene where the mob tried to have sex with the angels, even so, it's a story that glorifies gang-rape that you've decided is appropriate to dictate morality. Also, "lying with a man as with a woman" can mean a variety of different things, the passage from Romans could refer to prostitution, amongst other things, and you do know the original text of 1Corinthians 6:9 does not include the word 'homosexual' right? 'Abusers of mankind' doesn't automatically mean a gay person.
"...as well as abortion"
Really now? Let's take a look-see
"Anybody that believes otherwise, simply does not have the Spirit of God within them, Case Closed!!"
Yes, yes, same old "anybody who disagrees with me isn't a True Christian™" line.
4/6/2010 6:46:41 AM
Actually, the bible is pro-abortion. In Hosea 9:11-16, Hosea prays for God’s intervention.
“Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb."
The character is praying to god to cause the unborn children to die.
Numbers 5:11-21 has a ritual intended to induce an abortion and rid a woman of another man's child.
That fantasy novel is not "pro life"
4/6/2010 6:48:06 AM
What about this passage?
"And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. "But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,(NAS, Exodus 21:22-24)
Huh. That means if a woman is hit and miscarries, whoever hit her isn't in trouble for killing the fetus.
4/6/2010 6:49:44 AM
Well he is right. The bible is clear on abortion. If a man strikes down a woman with child and she dies it's eye for an eye. If he strikes her and only the fetus dies he pays her husband some cash.
As for the bible being clear on homosexuality. It's also very clear on eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, working on the Sabbath day (that's one's repeated ad infinitum). The bible makes it clear there's no room for discussion on THOSE issues too.
4/6/2010 6:55:19 AM
I read about the afterlife
Oh, oh damn. I guess, homosexuality can't be argued on a Christian basis.
Oh well, America is a secular nation. Whatever the Bible says -- it doesn't matter. Case Closed!
4/6/2010 6:59:05 AM
Find me the passages about both issues. Then try to tell me that there is no possible way to interpret them other than "homosexuality and abortion = bad".
4/6/2010 6:59:54 AM
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