We Christians gave the World Easter - what did we get from...?
They enjoy our Holy day and in return they give us pond scum (Richard Dawkins)
"Yes, we are all animals, descendants of a vast lineage of replicators sprung from primordial pond scum."
What else they will give us this Easter? They say that we are pagans because we celebrate the death and Resurrection of our Lord on Easter Holy day which they say is paganism.
Logic fail?
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You didn't give me anything. I bought this motherfucking chocolate myself!
...Wait, christians? Oh shut up, Easter is about the Chocolate Bunnies.
we celebrate the death and Resurrection of our Lord on Easter Holy day which they say is paganism.
Logic fail?
Why logic fail? Here's the reasoning:
a-i) No one has ever been known to come back from the dead after three days. By day 3 after death, profound and irreversible chemical changes have taken place in our bodies, and bacteria have begun digesting us.
a-ii) Therefore by inductive reasoning, it isn't to be believed.
b-i) There is no evidence for the Resurrection outside of the Bible.
b-ii) Throughout history, people have been known to make up things about God in an effort to gain status or control people.
b-iii) Therefore, the story of the resurrection is likely to have been made up by people.
What is your logical process?
Actually the pagans gave the world eostre which the christians usurped and altered from a fertility celebration to a creepy fetish with a tortured jewish zombie.
Seriously. Where the fuck do you think the bunnies, chicks and eggs come from?
Also your holy day is more of an annoyance than anything. Why the hell aren't secular stores open on bloody easter?
> What did we get from Atheists and Evolutionists?
(Some time passes)
"But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
The "answer" to the question is brilliant.
Modern antibiotics, understanding of genetic diseases, ability to test for genetic illness, better understanding of our psychology by studying our evolutionary path, ability to better match organ donations, prediction and prevention of infectious disease, understanding of how to eradicate existing communicable diseases, ability to catch criminals via DNA evidence, etc., etc.
None of that can possibly live up to the lofty standards set by your contribution of a family dinner and a hunt for coloured eggs, but we'll keep trying.
a-i) No one has ever been known to come back from the dead after three days.
Yeah, but be fair, Jebus was only dead a day and half, tops. (Died Friday night, pops up as good as new, bar a few holes, on Sunday morning).
@ GigaGuess
Didn't Jesus, like, hide eggs for the kids after his resurrection? I think that story is actually in one of the more obscure writings, "The Gospel of St. Bartholomew the Fucking Insane."
"They" say you are pagan. Just who the fuck are "They"?
Pagans are more open minded than "you". Though I do not share their beliefs, I certainly would never insult them in the manner you've indicated.
Actually it is a fail on many levels.
Also, it may be Easter to you, to me it is Sunday.
It's the same ridiculous, misinformed argument every year.
For the last time, we Pagans gave you a beautiful fertility celebration that includes eggs, bunnies and cute little chicks, which all symbolize new life. You changed it to suit yourselves and haven't the slightest concept where the eggs, bunnies and chicks came from, or what they have to do with Jesus.
Hardly the same thing.
@Cassandra
Concrete
@Zeus Almighty
Oh! Right! Where the cross turned into chocolate after the third day, and they rolled back the boulder, and if Jesus saw his shadow, there's six more weeks of winter?
Some god/ess has been dying and coming back to life since the beginning of recorded history, yours isn't new. Yours is just the first zombie to lay eggs that hatch bunnies or something like that.
I'm sorry, it was actually us pagans who gave the world Ostara. Crazy Christians promptly stole it for their own without actually changing any part of it. If you didn't want it traced back to the original creators, you should've taken out the goddamn rabbit and eggs.
He's right, a day that takes place on the 1st Sunday after the 1st full moon after the spring equinox, is filled with a whole bunch of fertility symbols, and named after a pagan goddess has in no way any pagan roots whatsoever.
Sisyphus wrote: "Actually the pagans gave the world eostre which the christians usurped and altered from a fertility celebration to a creepy fetish with a tortured jewish zombie. "
Actually no. Easter is, and always has been a mockery of Passover. It was called Pesakh in Hebrew, and Pascha in Latin. English, and German, are the only Germanic languages that don't use some variation of the Latin term.
The word Easter was adopted for English usage, and was based on the goddess Eoster. Very little is know about her, and how she was worshipped. St. Bede simply wrote that there were feasts held in her honor during the time of year, that Christians knew as April, and that this practice was long dead by his time.
It is debated by modern scholars whether Eoster was purely an invention of Bede's, since there is no other evidence that such a goddess was ever a part of Germanic mythology. It wouldn't have been the first time a Medieval Catholic writer just pulled a new god, or custom out of his ass, in order to make a point about Christianity, and prove that it was the true universal religion.
No, we call you pagans because you celebrate the holiday with the use of pre-Christian fertility symbols such as rabbits, eggs, chicks, and flowers.
The fact that, like many other 2000-year-old religions, yours has a god who came back from the dead, has nothing to do with it.
You're not a pagan, but early Christians did get the idea for Easter from pagans. Eggs and rabbits? Absolutely pagan.
I've actually got a pagan festival, the third spring celebration for my group, the uses both eggs and rabbits as part of its symbolism.
Yes, BIG logic fail; on your part. Easter did not come from christians, nor is it christian. The very name of this very Pagan holy day comes from the Saxon Goddess "Eostere". Furthermore, easter is celebrated on the first sunday after the first full moon, after the vernal equinox --- a VERY Pagan way of calculating holy days.
Actually, Easter was stolen from pagans. It was originally a spring festival. The Christian significance was tacked on later.
Your J. Morgan quote is irrelevant and misrepresents abiogenesis and evolution.
And most of us don't fucking care about Easter.
"They say that we are pagans because we celebrate the death and Resurrection of our Lord on Easter Holy day which they say is paganism."
Three cheers for missing the point entirely! Seriously.
For me, Easter is nothing more than a good excuse to eat a lot of chocolate. Not that I've ever looked hard for an excuse.
We Christians gave the World Easter - what did we get from...?
From the pagan festival of Eostre.
What did we get from Atheists and Evolutionists?
They enjoy our Holy day and in return they give us pond scum (Richard Dawkins)
"Yes, we are all animals, descendants of a vast lineage of replicators sprung from primordial pond scum."
If you believe this, then you have no right to judge the athiests.
That's the best you can offer? You gave us Easter?
I can live without the free chocolate just fine, and it is a stolen pagan holiday.
If your trying to pitch your "holiday" against the worlds secular contributions then you lost this one pretty hard. The dinner I had earlier today alone is more valuable to me then your Easter. Try harder.
Mickey has had too many 'Mickey's'.
Sorry, Mick, you did have a terminal 'logic fail' try not to think anymore, you'll only hurt yourself.
Easter wouldn't even be CALLED Easter if it weren't for what you call paganism! In Anglo-Saxon religion there was a goddess named Eostre, who was celebrated around the time of modern Easter. "Eostre" became "Easter", and then Christianity nicked the time.
@TGRWolf
"[Easter is based on] the Pagan lunar calander. How's that for a fun fact?"
Well....wrong. It was the Hebrew calendar shared with other semitic and assyrian groups etc. Easter was based around Pesach. The concept of "pagan" was years and miles away.
The English may come from Eoster etc but it's the exception - most other languages use the "paschal" word [ ;) ] for Passover.....bit of a clue there..
That's what I love - nothing like a bit of anti-fundie fundie. But why let the facts get in the way of vitriol? Although I thought that was *their* game!!
"We Christians gave the World Easter"
"What did we get from Atheists and Evolutionists?"
We celebrate the fact that spring is coming, and we do it by eating lots and lots of eggs and chocolate. What part of that is Christian?
Evolution gave us vaccination against the swine flue, it gave us lots and lots of medicines and cures, and it might bring us the cure for MRSA, cancer and ALS among other diseases.
"They enjoy our Holy day..."
Actually, no I don't. I consider it to be a cultural hangover from a decaying Christian past, much like Christmas, and I personally feel that in this day and age it should not be a public holiday at all. If we have public holidays they should be in recognition of modern events and pan-human causes, not religious or cultural events that divide and alienate our society.
"We Christians gave the World Easter - what did we get from...?"
Easter, really? Like I would've thought the Sistine Chapel or the obtuse metaphor are better things to thank Christianity for.
The discover of evolution gave us numerous advances in medical science, such as better matches for patients in need of tissue and blood donation, understanding of how viruses work, modern antibiotic techniques, and so on. All of this is more significant than a bunny hunt.
Things we atheists and evolutionists would like you unappreciative sods to stop using immediately:
@TGRwulf
Actually Easter falls on a different day each year because it's time of the year is based on the Pagan lunar calander. How's that for a fun fact?
Actually, it falls on a different Sunday each year because it's based on the Jewish Passover.
While there are Pagan elements currently associated with Easter (bunnies, eggs), the initial holiday is actually originally Christian.
But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health that the Romans gave us...
what have the right-wing Christian Fundamentalists ever done for us?! :
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We gave you computers and modern medicine. You know, the thing that keeps you alive so you can use the things that let you spew your ignorance at your fellow man.
I hate you so much right now.
Of course, Easter is all about this hebrew man who died some thousand years ago, and not the fact tht it is fucking spring, something worth celebrating. Just like the winter solstice! It's not about the birth of some gu, it's about the days getting longer, a sign that the winter will end.
Confused?
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