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I agree that certain books should be banned. Censorship already exists for the most extreme obscene and terrorist material in libraries. You've got to ask why are standards of morality being constantly eroded? I'm not saying Harry Potter books are going to corrupt a child, but at the least it will desensitize an impressionable mind to the occult. The progessive liberalisation of media is a dangerous road to go down. The effects of desensitivation to sex and violence are all to obvious in declining values and increasing crime (in the UK). I can't see the government doing anything, so I guess self censorship is the answer for those who still care. Free speech and human rights are wonderful, but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attacked! Regards, Adam

Adam, Conservapedia-Debate: Should certain books be banned from libraries? 86 Comments [4/12/2010 4:10:31 AM]
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Nathan

We can start by banning bible and other religious books.

4/12/2010 4:13:29 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Proto - conservapedia fans vigorously show their support for Adams position on naughty books.


4/12/2010 4:23:39 AM

aaa

"I agree that certain books should be banned. Censorship already exists for the most extreme obscene and terrorist material in libraries."

This right here is how idiotic laws begins. People getting hysterical over small things.

"You've got to ask why are standards of morality being constantly eroded? I'm not saying Harry Potter books are going to corrupt a child, but at the least it will desensitize an impressionable mind to the occult."

Oh noes, the children are reading books that aren't the bible!

"The progessive liberalisation of media is a dangerous road to go down. The effects of desensitivation to sex and violence are all to obvious in declining values and increasing crime (in the UK)."

Crime doesn't work that way, mate. Crime is usually done out of either for financial gain or out of desperation.

"I can't see the government doing anything, so I guess self censorship is the answer for those who still care."

Last time i checked, the british coppers are still around and doing their thing. As for the self censorship, i pity you.

"Free speech and human rights are wonderful, but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attacked!"

Adam, grow a pair and harden the fuck up. Just ignore the little shit who's yelling it. If that doesn't work, snark the shit out of him. As for being attacked, get an intimidating appearance and learn some pragmatic martial art. Alternatively, carry a big fucking knife and a heater.

4/12/2010 4:56:08 AM

Canadia

It starts with books, then you're burning people.

Oh, and your babble is far more violent, explicit, and crude than the vast majority of other books you've read.

Possibly all three of them.

4/12/2010 5:03:22 AM

I read about the afterlife

"Free speech and human rights are wonderful, but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attack!"

I was just a "victim" of this the other day in Grand Rapids. I just kind of laughed and argued the point a bit and then kept walking. It's that easy.

4/12/2010 5:05:44 AM

Kat

"Free speech and human rights are wonderful, but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attacked!"

Well, that's a simple question to answer. I'm pretty sure, like the U.S. Constitution, in the UK you don't have the right to never be offended.

4/12/2010 5:09:31 AM

Swede

Who would want to be desensitized to sex? That sounds really, really boring.

You can't ban books with one hand and applaud free speech with the other. It's hard to applaud with just one hand, for one thing, and banning books is the very opposite of free speech.

Please read the Harry Potter books before you criticize them. They are Christian allegories, really, not the least bit occult. It's the fight between good and evil, the idea that friendship and love makes us stronger than power and violence.

Why don't you do a survey; ask the inmates of prisons how many books they have read voluntary (before going to jail), and then ask qualified medium to high income people how many books they have read voluntary. I bet many in the first group haven't read a single book of their own free will, ever. How then could they have been desensitized by books?

4/12/2010 5:23:45 AM



Censorship already exists for the most extreme obscene and terrorist material in libraries.

It does?! Please elaborate. What titles specifically? Does that include the Qu'ran?

The effects of desensitivation to sex and violence are all to obvious in declining values and increasing crime

Then forget the libraries and blame television as the most immediate and substantial influence:

- Number of murders seen on TV by the time an average child finishes elementary school: 8,000
- Number of violent acts seen on TV by age 18: 200,000
- Percentage of Americans who believe TV violence helps precipitate real life mayhem: 79
(source A.C. Nielsen Co.)

I guess self censorship is the answer

Now there you go, that's a more reasonable answer to your dilemma. If you don't like something you see, don't read or look at it. Dat simple.

but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse

Sorry, you do not have the right not to be offended when you step out into the world. I know, I know, this is a hard concept for those with fragile sensibilities to handle; deal with it. The world is not going to get all warm and fuzzy just to make it easier or more acceptable to you.

or being attacked

If you're physically attacked, then that's assault and there are laws already in place to punish your attackers.

[someone's response in the debate]

All books should be banned that do not includes god

Shit, then I guess I'm screwed as an electrical engineer 'cause all those books I use for reference don't include God. I guess I'm screwed as a hobbist motorcycle mechanic as the service manuals don't include God. I guess I'm screwed as an American Citizen because the US Constitution does not include God.

4/12/2010 5:26:49 AM

Table Rock

but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attacked!

Unless the book you're talking about is the Necronomicon (and you don't say the right words), I don't see how this applies.

4/12/2010 5:38:09 AM

C_V


I don't get it. you idiots don't want a 'nanny state' but you're all for having them wipe your ass and keep your blinders in place.

4/12/2010 6:08:06 AM

Agnostic Jew

The last time I was verbally abused walking down the street, someone called me a "liberal bitch." I responded, "Thank you. I'm honored." The guy making the remark was terribly confused.

4/12/2010 6:09:19 AM

D Laurier.

Book burners always begin by making up excuses in advance.

4/12/2010 6:13:24 AM

shykid

@Agnostic Jew:
I love that kind of attitude and comeback. The last time I received "verbal abuse", I was called a "liberal faggot". My response? "Observant, aren't we?"

I wouldn't call it abuse, really, perhaps a failed attempt at insulting me, if anything. I just thought it was amusing. I don't particularly care to take away their right to do that, either. Not only do they have just as much right to speak their mind, but being an asshole to me also makes them look bad and me look good.

Hell, if you're openly gay and a bleeding-heart liberal where I am, you pretty much have to learn to be thick-skinned and have a confident attitude. If you don't, then other people will jump at the opportunity to tear you down.

4/12/2010 6:16:33 AM

TGRwulf

"Free speech and human rights are wonderful, but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attacked! Regards, Adam"

Persecution complex much?

4/12/2010 6:34:32 AM



I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Where they burn books they will, in the end, burn people".

As for desentisivation to sex and violence, yes, overexposure will do that. However, if parents actually do their job by limiting their kids' exposure to it and teach them that what they see on TV/in movies/in video games is NOT okay in real life (especially in regards to violence) then guess what? Kids will still pick up their parents' morals and won't have their values corrupted by the media.

As for being verbally abused and attacked, welcome to real life. It sucks that kind of things happens, but you can't control people. Just ignore the insults and take the time to learn a little self-defense.

4/12/2010 6:42:35 AM

CrazyHappyNinja


4/12/2010 6:48:24 AM



As a writer, may I kindly invite you to go fuck yourself with a scythe? And do use the shiny end, please.

4/12/2010 6:52:32 AM

Berny

The problem with starting the book burning is that some of us have entirely different books we'd like to see kept out of the hands of impressionable children and our list is radically different from yours.
How about we simply agree to put down the lighter fluid?

4/12/2010 6:54:34 AM

Her3tiK

Don't shout your bullshit on the street corner and we won't insult you in public (most likely).

4/12/2010 7:03:04 AM

muters

In what crazy version of the UK are books like Harry Potter inspiring abuse and assault in the streets? I'm not sure chavs are best known for their passion for reading.

4/12/2010 7:03:09 AM



Biblioclasm for Jesus!

4/12/2010 7:05:05 AM

Rumpshaker Slim

People like this are the ones who got "Fahrenheit 451" banned from libraries then failed to see the irony.

4/12/2010 7:24:59 AM

John_in_Oz

Harry Potter in libraries is the reason you can't walk down the street without Quidditch players assaulting you with a quaffle and calling you a muggle.

4/12/2010 8:31:37 AM

oop

Among the thousands of books burned on Berlin's Opernplatz in 1933, following the Nazi raid on the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, were works by Heinrich Heine. To commemorate the terrible event, one of the most famous lines of Heine's 1821 play "Almansor" was engraved in the ground at the site: "Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen." ("Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people.")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Heine

4/12/2010 8:40:03 AM

Papabear

How about blocking access to mind-numbingly stupid sites such as Conservapedia which present moronic crap as if it was fact?

4/12/2010 8:45:49 AM
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