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Sadly, you are probably more moral than most religious people, but this is not the point.... He [an atheist] still can easily turn aside and do immoral things simply for the fact that there is no restriction. On the other hand, however, when a Christian chooses right, he feels the necessity to do right because he knows there are eternal consequences at stake. So the barrier from holding believers in God to do wrong is much much greater than the barrier holding the non-believer from doing wrong. There are no eternal consequences... So if you really think about it, from an unbelievers perspective, there should be no such thing as 'right' or 'wrong', since 'right' and 'wrong' originated in heaven with the war against Lucifer, the archangel.

Lysimachus, Someplace Somewhere 10 Comments [5/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Bone_Vulture

Except for a religious person, the \"right\" things occasionally appear to include practicing slavery, genocide, bigotry and vile hatred, depending on the chapter and interpretation. Go figure.

4/21/2006 8:51:02 PM

David D.G.

If the atheist does right for its own sake and the Christian does it just because of the threat of punishment, which one is the more moral? If you cannot or will not be good without the threat of punishment, then you're not really being moral at all -- just practical.


~David D.G.

4/21/2006 8:58:48 PM



People care about results and consequences HERE. They stick to that, that´s what matters.

8/10/2009 1:40:29 PM



And, nevertheless, atheists and other religions continue to do the right thing, and Christians doing the WRONG thing. Don´t try to imagine parallel worlds where things are not the way they actually are.

12/27/2009 4:08:33 AM

Kuyohashi

No, wrong originated when someone had something stolen from them, be it food or a blanket or a rock or the life of a loved one, they suffered for it, and decided it would not happen to another. It's called empathy. I have been beaten, and so I would not wish that pain upon anyone. I have been the victim of theft, and so I would not return that loss to another. I have lost family, and friends, and believe nobody should share that pain.

You can only do good things either because of some ethereal carrot dangled in front of you (Heaven), or the threat of the whip behind you (Hell). Since you have an ulterior motive for doing the right thing, you taint your actions will self-serving. A truly good person does the right thing, and then when offered the reward, refuses it, lest he cheapen his good deeds. If there is a Heaven, and you accept it, going there makes you a bastard. Superman doesn't pull in a paycheck for saving the world, and neither should you.

3/15/2011 9:57:41 AM

Liberal Christian

I'm sorry to tell you this, but if you only do good things becuase you fear punishment then you are not a good person.

3/15/2011 10:40:08 AM

LefthandedWriter

Uhm....
The atheist chooses to do good to be a good person, but goes to Hell.
The fundie doesn't do jack shit and thinks they'll get into Heaven.
Morality versus the potential bullying.

8/28/2011 3:27:04 PM

Karlsbad

I get so very tired of these arguments. All morals are psychological constructs, produced by individuals or social groups. There is no such thing as "right and wrong". The concepts are meaningless without some metaphysical framework, and atheism by its very nature rejects such metaphysical frameworks. All that remains is "good" and "bad", and those are relative to an observer (i.e. "good or bad *for* someone or something").

8/28/2011 3:43:57 PM

Dr. Shrinker

Ethics was a well developed branch of Greek philosophy, looooong before Jesus was supposedly born.

8/28/2011 4:02:55 PM

Anon2

when a Christian chooses right, he feels the necessity to do right because he knows there are eternal consequences at stake.

And the Atheist knows that secular consequences are at stake.

For example, when I shoot someone, then I know that he will be DEAD, and there is no supernatural deity who can bring him back to life. I would have done something horrible which would be irreversible.

Atheist ethics is built on something called responsibility.

What is a stronger base for ethics? Responsibility or Fear of punishment? In the case of christianity it gets even worse: When you "believe" in Jesus, then you don't even have to fear punishment. Christian ethics is build on nothing.

8/28/2011 4:18:23 PM
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