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Science. It's not what you think it is, dude.
4/21/2010 3:36:05 PM
That's all I can say to this.
FIRST OF ALL
There are no "sides", and there is no "debate". The observable universe is approximately 15 billion years old. If you don't like it, find a younger universe.
Second, bullshit on your claim that "evolutionists" as you call them, have never presented evidence. Those textbooks you claim have never been shown? YEAH, WRITTEN BY SCIENTISTS.
Finally, science is not like science class, save for the tedious lab reports.
4/21/2010 3:38:49 PM
All the creationists do is spew the "0 evidence" without bothering to spend 2 fucking seconds on Google, or reading an actual book (other than the Bible). Whatever happened to fundies knowing English grammar and using upper-case letters at the beginning of sentences? It used to be that most Americans -- at least those who lived outside the South -- could write and reason to some degree. Why, oh why, is it that grammar is always the exception to the rule when it comes to fundies making arguments?
I'm sick and tired of fundies and their ridiculous assertions pulled from their asses. At least let the Episcopalians speak for the christianists. They actually have a sense of humor and like to drink. A lot. There are way too many fundamentalists. Who needs them? I say get rid of some.
4/21/2010 3:48:56 PM
um they use computer because the math needed to make these calculations can't be done on an abucus?
4/21/2010 3:57:04 PM
"the first time i have ever seen anyone on either side of the debate show actual textbooks on physics, chemistry and astronomy, citing sources for his points of view. what he says makes sense."
Maps of time: an introduction to big history? - Page 500
"The History of the Universe before Our Sun (from 13 Billion Years to 4 Billion Years Ago)"
Horizons: Exploring the Universe? - Page 8
Michael A. Seeds, Dana Backman:
"The universe began about 14 billion years ago in an event called the big bang, which filled the universe with hot gas."
The universe and the atom? - Page 283
Don Bernett Lichtenberg:
"We have noted that the universe is about 14 billion years old, and the cosmic background radiation originated relatively shortly after the big bang"
The physical universe - Page 667
Konrad Bates Krauskopf, Arthur Beiser:
"red shift means that all the galaxies in the universe are moving away from one other. This expansion of the universe began about 15 billion years ago"
If Psarris is using astronomy textbooks in his argument they are either from the last century or he wrote them himself.
4/21/2010 4:02:40 PM
Science is most definitely about bunsen burners and baking soda when you're in grade seven. I think you've just embarrassed yourself, should probably stop talking about your idea of what science is supposed to be, and go back to your Magic Schoolbus episode before the commercial break is over.
4/21/2010 4:10:35 PM
And there are those dumb Evolutionists bombarding you with those insignificant scientific papers.
4/21/2010 4:11:59 PM
In the spirit of funditry: prove that we have no evidence!
4/21/2010 4:14:23 PM
I'd kind of like to bait him to get him to explain just what he thinks could be done with a bunsen burner and a petri dish to explain things astronomers observe that are light years away.
4/21/2010 4:17:39 PM
hey its only 19.99 per DVD.
Barnum and Bailey come to mind something about a "sucker every minute"
4/21/2010 4:21:39 PM
I think we've discovered why astronomers get different results than you derive from a microscope and petri dish, sam.
4/21/2010 4:32:12 PM
Yeah, it's like we can't actually measure red shift or anything.
4/21/2010 4:32:29 PM
Are you saying that we should go on a witch hunt / lynching party looking for non-creationist astronomers because you dont understand what a theory is?
And if a Muslim suggested the same thing you did you would be pissing in your pants frightened claiming it as another proof of how they are thugs out to kill everyone and force their beliefs on everyone.
4/21/2010 4:42:28 PM
In the spirit of funditry: prove that we have no evidence! "
4/21/2010 4:49:48 PM
i’m sick and tired of astronomers and their ridiculous observations. at least let the engineers make the observations. they actually make the machinery and do the real work. there are way too many astronomers. who needs them? i say we get rid of some.
On any list of "scientists" who don't believe in evolution, you will always find a huge proportion of them are engineers. Why? Because engineers build things and a lot of them are incapable of seeing the universe as something that wasn't built. That's a flaw, not a feature.
Engineers may know how to use the instruments, but they know fuck-all about interpreting the data. We know for a certainty that there are stars that are several billions of years away from earth. Astronomers didn't pull that number out of their asses. They measured it. Accurately.
The same goes double for engineers who think they know better than biologists. Fuck 'em.
4/21/2010 4:52:47 PM
Know what's better than citing textbooks? Citing peer-reviewed journals. You know, because those have the latest developments in the field.
Also, most engineers don't have any real clue about astronomy. Yes, they make the machines but they don't know what to look for in the night sky. That's like assuming the people who make plaster know about paleontology because paleontologists use plaster to make casts for fossils.
4/21/2010 5:06:13 PM
If you don't understand, why in present times science favours the so called "Big Bang" theory, while astronomy books are filled with weird physics and complicated mathematics, I highly recommend the book "Big Bang" by Simon Singh.
It is a very good read for starters and explains exactly why... wait a second.
On a second thought... You are not interested in science at all, right?
4/21/2010 5:09:21 PM
Petri dishes and Bunsen burners are what science is all about?
Bet you posted this message on ENIAC too, carefully observing every blinking light as the computer worked out the TCP/IP transmission and personally verifying that it works properly?
Because, God forbid, you just can't use abstract tools like modern programming languages to solve your problems. No. Every single instruction that the computer executes has to be observed - in a manner fitting for people who do something, like electronic engineers. Otherwise, all of the computer science is absolutely worthless. You can't trust the machine to produce predictable results unless you see it do the stuff you want it to do.
("Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - Edsger W. Dijkstra)
4/21/2010 5:15:55 PM
"I'd kind of like to bait him to get him to explain just what he thinks could be done with a bunsen burner and a petri dish to explain things astronomers observe that are light years away."
Take 1 Bunsen burner. Put on low flame.
Take 2 grams of well-cut heroin place in Petri dish and hold over flame until melted. Load into syringe and inject. Wait for 1 minute.
Result: "Oh wow man, the universe is like... seven!"
If no heroin can be found, discard Bunsen burner and Petri dish and substitute the opiate of the masses.
4/21/2010 5:16:56 PM
We have observations that suggest the universe is billions of years old. They're not based on computer simulations. They're based on telescope observations of things like red shift, Cepheid-type variable stars and background radiation. The observations and conclusions have been published in peer-reviewed journals in incredible detail.
Can somebody pull an ad hoc hypothesis out of thin air to come up with alternate explanations? Sure. Anyone who's ever heard a six year old invent preposterous baloney about space aliens to explain how he lost his jacket (again) knows there are always ridiculous alternative explanations for almost anything, provided you don't ask for actual evidence.
4/21/2010 5:30:02 PM
This is without a doubt the least informed statement ever made by these bible thumping fucktards.
4/21/2010 5:52:39 PM
Creation astronomer? Seriously?
4/21/2010 6:08:06 PM
How the FUCK did you jump from astronomy to chemistry to engineering?
4/21/2010 7:28:43 PM
We need to talk.
4/21/2010 7:30:47 PM
Just because you don't know the first thing about science doesn't mean the same is true of the scientists themselves.
4/21/2010 7:48:19 PM
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