Quote# 72444

(On Obama's health care bill)

This question is easily solved: If the bishops are against the bill, they are right. If the bishops support the bill, they are wrong and acting against tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church. If they support the bill, they are modernists and could get excommunicated.

Zealous Zeth, christian forums 39 Comments [4/25/2010 6:22:31 PM]
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4/25/2010 6:23:04 PM

Old Viking

Wow! You're right! That was easy!

4/25/2010 6:28:06 PM

Rumpshaker Slim

"People who disagree with my political opinions should be banned from my church!"

Feel that christian compassion and love!

4/25/2010 6:29:26 PM


" ... And I know 'cause I'm God!"
What, you're not? Then cram a sock in it, dipshit.

4/25/2010 6:50:17 PM

J. Random Lurker

I say "meh," and here's why:

As an ex-Catholic (and one who was rather devout and studious back in the day), I have to admit that this fundie's technically correct in this assertion. There are numerous Church documents that can be used to back him up (e.g. Mirari Vos in 1832 by Gregory XVI and the Syllabus of Errors in the 1860's put out by Pius IX).

Though, just because he's actually stating a technical fact here doesn't mean he's always right (or sane--our "friend" Zeth here is known for some rather fundie spew himself).

I am curious though as to hear what the traditionalist and sedevacantist Catholics have to say about it without disparaging the very freedoms and democracy in which many of them proudly inhabit. That I am certain would be a fundie goldmine in itself.

With all that said, Zeth is also missing a rather key point though and this is where I criticise him: the U.S. bishops are constrained by separation of church and state. Technically speaking, those bishops have been acting against "tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church" since the 1860's, and probably earlier--even if Vatican II is taken into account. So, with that in mind, does it really matter what the bishops do with the new law? And further, since we are a secular society (and definitely NOT a Christian nation), should we really take the bishops seriously on political issues?

4/25/2010 7:22:26 PM


Oh yeah, 'cause we all know Jesus never supported caring for the poor and sick, right?

4/25/2010 7:57:39 PM

Bishops seem to be for protecting pedophiles from the law. Are they right about that? Also, the bill is designed to keep greedy insurance companies from denying the gift of good health to people in need. I think Jesus would approve of that.

4/25/2010 8:39:30 PM


You mean the traditions and teachings of the Catholic Church to help those less fortunate, to cure the sick, to comfort the dying, to care for the children?

Those teachings and traditions?

4/25/2010 9:37:47 PM

refuter of fundy vermin

'If the bishops support the bill, they are wrong and acting against tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church.'

BULLSHIT. The Vatican has NO such official position. What Zealot Zeth is quoting is the official position of the Rethuglican Party, most of whom are fundies to start with.

4/25/2010 9:57:17 PM


I suspect that Zeth is a poe to end all poes.

4/25/2010 10:12:00 PM


Fun fact: If you rape children or murder 10 million people including 6 million Jews, you won't be excommunicated, however... "If they support the bill, they are modernists and could get excommunicated."

4/25/2010 11:08:21 PM


The Catholic Church supported the Nazis', does that mean the Nazis' campaign to destroy the Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Communists, and political dissidents was right.

4/25/2010 11:18:48 PM

Slave To Uni

"I'm right because I say I am."

4/25/2010 11:43:40 PM


Because Jesus would never heal someone who couldn't pay for it, right?

4/25/2010 11:50:48 PM

Pule Thamex

You'd think that the Catholic Church would be keeping a low public profile at the moment. Clerical opinion seems to be tainted by current events and not worth the air it is muttered upon. It is the time of apologists, the very worst of human scum.

If I was a Catholic, I'd excommunicate myself.

4/26/2010 12:26:55 AM


And if they're divided? Oh, I see...

4/26/2010 1:09:48 AM

Christians aren't supposed to get involved in politics in the first place.

4/26/2010 2:03:57 AM


I love how I get permabanned for my 'posting style' and this moron is still around. Fuck CF.

4/26/2010 2:21:24 AM


And this is why I no longer identify as Catholic (at least outside the workplace).

4/26/2010 3:56:46 AM

David B.

Sorry Zeth but you're committing the logical fallacy of not agreeing with me. That renders your entire argument invalid.

(Wow you're right, logic is easier when you invent your own rules!)

4/26/2010 4:53:55 AM


Can all the bishops that use the find Italian Health Care, whilst they in Rome be excommunicated? The best in the world and the fund abortions.

4/26/2010 5:43:36 AM


Hey, what if the pope supported it? Would he still be infallible?

4/26/2010 5:49:35 AM


What is it about making sure everyone has health care coverage that gets all of your religious retards' panties in a bunch?
Those of us living in countries with real universal health care would really like to know.

4/26/2010 7:34:42 AM


Go join the Glenn Beck bandwagon to keep social justice out of your church.

4/26/2010 7:47:44 AM


I'm starting to get tired of all these "health car is teh debil" idiots.

4/26/2010 8:11:09 AM

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