"Christians do not commit well planned murders."
6 million dead Jews beg to differ.
4/25/2010 6:24:14 PM
I once crossed a plethora of thresholds. Very tiring!
4/25/2010 6:26:55 PM
"Christians do not commit well planned murders."
True Scotsman fallacy, anyone?
"An abortion is a very well planned murder."
Aside from Begging the Question in ethical terms, this is also plain wrong. Murder is, by definition, killing in violation of the law. Since temporal law says abortion is okay, and for argument's sake the Bible has nothing to say on the matter, abortion can not be murder.
4/25/2010 6:42:31 PM
Is this guy inadvertantly admitting that Christians are too dumb to make complex plans?
4/25/2010 6:52:15 PM
If abortion is murder, then blowjobs are cannibalism and masturbation is mass genocide.
4/25/2010 6:57:28 PM
And anyway, those murderers who call themselves Christians aren't true Christians anyway. No true Scots..., uh, Christian would behave in such a way.
4/25/2010 7:04:33 PM
George Tiller would like a word with you. Oh wait... some Christian killed him.
4/25/2010 7:06:10 PM
"We can disagree on reason or thought, but we cannot argue what is clearly defined in Scripture."
Remind me again where the Bible mentions abortion specifically?
4/25/2010 7:23:23 PM
Does the name Timothy McVeigh ring a bell?
4/25/2010 7:25:35 PM
Of course you can't argue with it since abortion isn't even mentioned in the bible.
4/25/2010 7:36:33 PM
4/25/2010 7:49:12 PM
"And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. "But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, (NAS, Exodus 21:22-24)
See? God doesn't count the fetus as a person.
4/25/2010 7:55:54 PM
> we cannot argue what is clearly defined in Scripture. <
Ugg the sheep fucker said it four thousand years ago, a rabbi wrote down his version of it two thousand years later, and numerous people have changed/interpreted it since to suit their agendas, so I believe every word of it, 'nuff said, period, the end.
4/25/2010 7:58:57 PM
Abortion isn't mentioned in scripture. In the Talmud it's OK though.
He should also look up the Lord's Resistance Army.
4/25/2010 8:12:45 PM
Want an example of Christians planning murders? Spanish Inquisition. A major part of the reason for that was to loot and plunder.
4/25/2010 8:38:18 PM
What about Fundie Christians that have abortions?
4/25/2010 9:08:11 PM
True that we can disagree on reason or thought, but it would be of immense value to the discussion if you could point out where exactly in Scripture is abortion-as-crime clearly defined. I'm sure you understand what 'clearly defined' means.
Using the same terms, we can next discuss infanticide.
It would be of help if you read your fantasy book once in a while, Tim.
By the by, define plethora, if you would.
4/25/2010 9:29:41 PM
refuter of fundy vermin
'Christians do not commit well planned murders.'
Paul Hill knowingly lay in wait for his victims. So did John Salvi, James Charles Kopp, and Eric Rudolph (who bombed the Atlanta Olympics). These are DELIBERATE, WELL PLANNED MURDERS. Just proves you RaptureRetards hve your heads too far up your tiny fundy assholes.
4/25/2010 9:55:39 PM
If abortion is murder, then God spelled out his own ridiculously elaborate plan to Moses.
Numbers 5:11-31 in summary:
If a man suspects his wife of cheating, then he must bring his wife to the priest, and give him some barley meal, make sure it doesn't have oil or frankincense.
The priest takes holy water and mixes dust from the floor into it. The priest then uncovers her head, loosens her hair, and makes her hold the grain, while he holds the water.
He then says that if she's innocent, the water won't hurt her. But if she's guilty, it will bring a curse to her. It'll cause painful suffering, make her thighs rot, and her belly swell. She will become barren and miscarry any pregnancy she may have. And finally, the people will denounce her.
She is then commanded by God to consent to this. (Oh, well at least it's pro-choice! /sarcasm)
The priest writes the curses on a scroll, then washes the ink into the water. He makes the woman drink the water. He then takes the grain and burns it on the altar. Then he makes the woman drink again.
If she's guilty, the curse will take effect. If not, she'll be free and able to have children.
How's that for a plethora of thresholds? Or was that innocent "baby" not murdered?
4/25/2010 10:10:49 PM
Good to know you people don't think things through, but still kill people when you get pissed off.
4/25/2010 10:34:49 PM
Last time i checked, abortion is not mentioned in the bible.
4/25/2010 10:45:38 PM
He's right you know. According to scripture we should deliver the babies then dash their heads against rocks. It's god's way.
4/25/2010 10:57:06 PM
I'm glad to hear you feel that way, because scripture clearly says it's no big deal if one makes a woman lose a fetus. The giving of "a life for a life" punishment doesn't apply (meaning, there's no murder) unless one kills the woman in the process. KJV-Exodus 21 : 22-23
4/25/2010 11:10:48 PM
"we cannot argue what is clearly defined in Scripture."
You cannot argue anything, whether it's clearly defined in scripture or otherwise, as your mind is completely sozzled by faith in odd beliefs. In fact, you would be forced to argue that black was white if you thought it contradicted your odd beliefs. So, in general, we can't take anything you say with much seriousness.
4/26/2010 12:19:59 AM
Scott Roeder. Timothy McVeigh. Eric Robert Rudolph. You were saying?
Scripture says you are not a person until forty days after birth. In Biblical times a lot of babies died during or soon after birth, so there was no point in recognizing a new citizen until it had survived that dangerous period.
Infanticide only takes an angry person shaking the baby when it fails to shut the fuck up. No "plethora of thresholds" there. My, what fancy words you know, dearie.
4/26/2010 1:04:47 AM