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I was recently having a "Discussion" with a catholic, actually, it was more of a debate. They actually believe that they aren't praying to Mary (though, that is what it really is), they believe that they are praying THROUGH Mary, and that Jesus has to listen to her, as he has to respect the commandment about honoring your father and mother. I tried every piece of scripture I could think of, and common sense with this person, and could not get her to see the light of day on the issue. They just can't see that they are praying to someone other than God, and they can't see that it is wrong. So deep is the indoctrination, that they seem to be blind to the truth. I ended up coming to the conclusion that the only thing left that I could do for this person is to pray. No matter what I presented to her, she responded with the catholics stance on that verse, not reading it, and seeing it for what it is. It was like arguing with a brick wall.

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Magog, Rapture Ready 61 Comments [4/29/2010 9:35:41 AM]
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Javascap

I fuckin' love irony.

4/29/2010 9:41:14 AM

Doctor Fishcake

Now you know what you're like to deal with yourselves.

4/29/2010 9:50:46 AM



So he's complaining that they're not praying to God but to Jesus. Who is God.

This guy is an idiot.

4/29/2010 9:58:42 AM

Missouri

I was recently having a "Discussion" with a Protestant, actually, it was more of a debate. They actually believe that they aren't praying to Paul (though, that is what it really is), they believe that they are praying THROUGH Paul, and that Jesus has to listen to him. I tried every piece of scripture I could think of, and common sense with this person, and could not get her to see the light of day on the issue. They just can't see that they are praying to someone other than God, and they can't see that it is wrong. So deep is the indoctrination, that they seem to be blind to the truth. I ended up coming to the conclusion that the only thing left that I could do for this person is to pray. No matter what I presented to her, she responded with the Protestants' stance on that verse, not reading it, and seeing it for what it is. It was like arguing with a brick wall.

Fixed.

4/29/2010 9:59:35 AM

Mister Spak

"So deep is the indoctrination, that they seem to be blind to the truth. "

You seem to be blind from the reflection of the shiny mirror.

4/29/2010 10:06:52 AM

emau99

It was like arguing with a brick wall.

Yeah, I know exactly how you feel, Magog. It's frustrating, isn't it?

4/29/2010 10:07:59 AM

SleepNeed

What a shiny, shiny mirror you have there.

4/29/2010 10:09:59 AM

Zoo

@#1152848

Except that to people like Magog, Jesus is who they pray through to get to God. Apparently it's ok to have a man who is claimed to be God ask God to do you a favor, but not ok to ask the same man's mom to ask him.

4/29/2010 10:30:53 AM

IrishSoldierLaddie

I think this Catholic knows more about Catholicism than you do.

Funny, that.

4/29/2010 10:31:30 AM

Wehpudicabok

@Missouri:

I would think Martin Luther would be more appropriate given the context, although I hate Paul so much I'm tempted to endorse your version anyway.

4/29/2010 10:32:43 AM

Saccharissa

Translation: "For some reason, people don't listen to me when I tell them what they believe. It's like they're close minded or something."

4/29/2010 10:47:18 AM

Rumpshaker Slim

Irony, thy name is Rapture Ready.

Praying to Mary makes perfect sense. I mean, God owes her a few favors.

"And the lord spoke unto Mary saying 'Don't worry baby, I'll pull out.'"

4/29/2010 11:02:55 AM

rds77

Mirror, mirror on the wall...

4/29/2010 11:10:23 AM

John

They actually believe that they aren't praying to Mary

So when they say "holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners", who are they asking her to pray to? Herself?

Catholics don't pray to Mary, although some of the shameless groveling to her in the Middle Ages might have sounded like it (e.g., see the "O Intemerata"). Catholics believe in intersession (the idea that one person can pray for another) and invocation (the idea that one can ask someone to pray for them). So do most Christians. Otherwise, what would be the point of a pastor asking ("invoking") the congregation to pray ("intercede") for a sick member?

Where Catholics part company with a lot of Protestants is in believing that a dead person who is (presumably) in heaven, such as Mary, can be invoked to intercede. Martin Luther was opposed to invoking of the dead saints, because it was a source of abuse by the Catholic Church; but he really didn't have any more support for his opinion than the Catholic Church had for theirs.

4/29/2010 11:14:27 AM

Mihangel apYrs

Oh

nah it's too easy

4/29/2010 11:25:15 AM

Mihangel apYrs

I read the one from some total tosser on that site witnessing to his wife's recently bereft devout RC grandmother - talk of coffin-chasing.

A quick hard vicious blow to the jaw would be the correct response rather than trying to break someone's current faith at such a time. Such cruelty is par for these people whose self-righteousness is breathtaking but only too believable.

CUNTS!

4/29/2010 11:39:52 AM

Philbert McAdamia

> I tried every piece of scripture I could think of, and common sense with this person, and could not get her to see the light of day <

Wow. Used two completely opposite tactics and it still didn't work.

4/29/2010 11:42:51 AM

dog on

"I tried every piece of scripture I could think of, and common sense with this person, and could not get her to see the light of day on the issue."

Oh, the irony......

4/29/2010 11:46:25 AM

Lucilius

My hallucinations are more valid than your hallucinations!

4/29/2010 11:47:45 AM

GigaGuess

Wow. Wonder what that must be like.

4/29/2010 11:48:29 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

You should have reminded her that Mary was a dirty whore, who allowed God to get her pregnant out of wedlock. She's lucky if God, who as it turns out is really her son, is even willing to forgive her child molesting ass at all. She's certainly in no position to be praying for anyone. You'd be just as well off getting a fag, or a colored person to pray for you too. </poe>

4/29/2010 12:04:41 PM

Sisyphus

Now you know how we feel "discussing" things with you. Do you understand now why we seem so frsutrated?

4/29/2010 12:22:57 PM

aaa

I would have paid money to see the most pointless debate ever.

4/29/2010 12:26:47 PM

pete

I bet this poor freak thinks that Mormonism is closer to his/her particular sect than Catholicism.

4/29/2010 12:55:51 PM

myheadhurts

I can identify.

4/29/2010 1:20:15 PM
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