... this article I wrote a while ago spells out the craziness of all people (not just Muslims) who turn their backs on Jesus:- <<<U>ALCATRAZ</U> In the film 'Escape from Alcatraz',Clint Eastwood blows the socks off his convict pals when he coolly announces 'I think I know a way outta here'And naturally they're all ears and eagerly want to hear his plan,as none of them is dumb enough to say 'Nah,not interested!' Yet amazingly that's what some people say to Jesus!Here we are trapped in these bodies in this prison we call a world,with nothing in front of us except lonely graves,but Jesus tells us:- 'It doesn't have to be like that,I know a way out!'Jesus tells us that if we follow him out,there's a mansion waiting for each of us in a paradise of a land ruled by his Father. Call me crazy,but that sounds like one helluva great deal to me,a lot better than a cold maggotty grave in a cemetery where people walk their dogs to pee and poo!>>
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Aaaaand you're surprised that, in the highest-security federal penitentiary of the day, someone would be just a wee bit skeptical of someone else claiming to know a way out?
In the entire history of Alcatraz there was one successful escape attempt, and no one knows if the convicts who pulled it off made it to shore. They could have, but that doesn't mean they did. (Thor Heyerdahl proved Polynesia could have been settled from South America, too, but it wasn't.)
So here we sit, on a tiny planet in a rather quiet part of a galaxy like billions of others, and we're supposed to believe we can go to heaven without even knowing where or what heaven is? And we're supposed to take the word of someone who doesn't even show up in the historical record until several decades after his death?
You are comparing an actor, Clint Eastwood, who was playing the role of a convict to Jesus Christ?
Think things through a little, bud.
Clint Eastwood - 'Okay, so you're all ready to hear my plan to get out of this goddamn prison ??'
Prisoners - 'Yeah, we trust you. Tell us the plan'
Clint Eastwood - 'Okay here goes ... We wait until lights out, when there's only one guard on patrol on the east wing and then we ... sacrifice Charley to the laundry God.'
Prisoners - 'Whhhhat ???'
Clint Eastwood - 'Yes, that's right. It all came to me in a vision. The laundry God is keeping us in this prison because he's angry at us for wearing socks. If we ever want to get out of here we're gonna have to offer Charley up as a sacrifice to show how sorry we are and stop wearing socks immediately. It's the only way.'
Just show us this "heaven" you're talking about and you'll get more converts than you know what to do with.
Certainly the prisoners knew for certain there was a world outside of prison, but we can say the same for our knowledge of heaven.
Short of showing it to us, you and your kind are just talking a big game. Might be true, but there isn't a shred of evidence to verify it. Same as Russell's teapot, invisible pink unicorn, and flying spagetti monster.
"Here we are trapped in these bodies in this prison we call a world,with nothing in front of us except lonely graves."
"In the film 'Escape from Alcatraz',Clint Eastwood blows the socks off his convict pals when he coolly announces 'I think I know a way outta here'And naturally they're all ears and eagerly want to hear his plan,as none of them is dumb enough to say 'Nah,not interested!' Yet amazingly that's what some people say to Jesus!Here we are trapped in these bodies in this prison we call a world,with nothing in front of us except lonely graves,but Jesus tells us:- 'It doesn't have to be like that,I know a way out!'Jesus tells us that if we follow him out,there's a mansion waiting for each of us in a paradise of a land ruled by his Father. Call me crazy,but that sounds like one helluva great deal to me,a lot better than a cold maggotty grave in a cemetery where people walk their dogs to pee and poo!"
Except that the events related in the excellent Don Siegel film starring Clint Eastwood actually happened ; there's more than enough evidence - as in investigatory case files etc - for said film's screenwriters to have written said film's treatment to have become the excellent film it is (and still highly regarded by critics as one of the best films Eastwood didn't direct).
Frank Morris's IQ - as per the film's record sheet (as reviewed by Alcatraz's governor, played by Patrick McGoohan) - was superior . As in he had to rely on himself & his own wits and ingenuity to effect his own escape (and aid in that of his cell-wing's compatriots). No 'Jesus' required, because - as Morris knew - he doesn't exist.
Moral: If 'God helps those who helps themselves', then you've just admitted that he wants criminals to escape from their punishment. Comparing a film (based on actual events) with Biblical 'faith' bullshit? Ever hear of the phrase 'Bad Analogy', Micky-boy...?!
Many Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet.
I already have a mansion here on Earth. Btw, in which chapter and verse does Jesus talk about mansions?
If you allow your dog to pee and poop on a grave, I bet the caretaker is going to ask you to leave. Aren't most people cremated nowadays? Not much maggots in ashes, is there?
You're crazy.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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