I have long contended that a "systematic" Jewish holocaust was impossible because the Nazis had no objective and reliable way of identifying Jews and non-Jews. This claim is often pooh-poohed with examples of how supposedly easy it was for the Nazis to objectively and reliably identify Jews.
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"I have long contended that a "systematic" Jewish holocaust was impossible because the Nazis had no objective and reliable way of identifying Jews and non-Jews."
And you think that would stop a regime like the Nazis do you?
Like, oh, distinctive religious garb for some? Synagogue attendance? Public records? Asking neighbors?
Bad news, Larry: I think they mean your claim is "poo-poo."
So you're a holocaust denier? Y'know, something bothers me about you white supremacists; if you fuckers hate Judaism so much, why would you pretend the holocaust never happened? I mean, it seems odd to me that the people who most want to believe that the holocaust never actually happened are generally the ones who would most like to see it happen. Why is that?
Look, do you really think little matters like 'someone not actually being Jewish' really fucking mattered to the Nazis? They were looking for easy scapegoats, which included Jews and people who may or may not be Jewish. Not to mention Roma, Slavs, Poles, cripples, gays and people with opposing political views. Of course, you'd probably support an attempted genocide against all or nearly all of those groups.
@Saladin: Anti-semitic Holocaust deniers are making the denial because, well, people aren't going to listen to a viewpoint when it has the blood of six million people on its hands. That's why they so often sound like "The Holocaust didn't happen, but if it had the Jews would've deserved it".
@Man Called True
Ahh, that makes sense, I guess. But who do they honestly think they can convince? Because anyone who says it didn't happen, or who could be easily convinced that it didn't, probably already hates the jews.
I think extreme right-wingers like to try and exonerate Hitler and the Nazis of the monstrous crimes they committed. A man and a regime with whom they sympathize. A man and a regime they lionize. A man and a regime they would dearly love to emulate, and then some. Hitler, their idol. Surely their hairy-lipped mono-testicular Aryan hero couldn't have wished for such a thing as the holocaust, could he? According to right-wing propaganda no he couldn't and didn't, and anyway, the holocaust never happened they say and keep on saying repetitively, in the face of overwhelming evidence. What does that remind you of?
lol!
jebus was NOT a fucking christian, you moron. If he did indeed exist,as you idiots seem to believe, reportedly he was one of those very jooooz you so vehemently despise.
And yet, Hitler was in charge despite lacking two very important things that identified someone as an Aryan, the 'master race', namely, blond hair and blue eyes.
See. Clearly those Nazi's placed a great deal of importance on things like logic, or consistency.
Uh, except that before anyone knew about the extermination plan, the Nazis passed laws saying Jews had to register with the government as Jewish, which they did by the millions, thus facilitating the round-ups. That's pretty fucking "systematic" right there.
And then there were the obvious Jewish names, the many synagogues and Jewish schools, not to mention the fact that they walked neighborhoods in some areas asking who the Jews were, when many people, who were anti-semitic themselves, were more than happy to turn in their Jewish neighbors out of hatred or to get the Jews' property.
You've never even read a book, have you?
You know, I'm really not one for over legislating and dictating what people should or should not do.
But I think those countries which have turned Holocaust denial into a criminal offence got it right. It should be a crime everywhere.
You know, Fafarman is well known as a troll on scienceblogs.com -- been banned from Pharyngula, like, forever, and ERV occasionally uses him for target practice. I didn't realize he was this detestable though.
Because genocidal regimes care so much about only killing the right people in their insane rampage, right? Nazis were all about the objectivity. You hear it all the time on the History Channel.
"Yeah, them fritzes was some ornery sum'bitches, but at least they kept perspective."
As we Germans are nothing if not methodical the Nazis even made a bunch of laws that regulated who was a “full Jew”, a “half Jew” or a “quarter Jew”. They are rather well known as the “Nürnberger Rassegesetze” or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws .
Also the fact that Jews was forced by law to wear a yellow Star of David with the word “Jude” (=Jew) on their clothes made it surely rather easy to spot them.
On the other side Germans that wanted to work in certain areas like civil services, universities, medical doctors, lawyers and many more had to present a "Aryan certificate" to prove they had no Jewish/Gypsy etc. ancestors.
The Nazis had comprehensive anatomy charts showing "Jewish" nose types, ear types, craniofacial characteristics, etc. so their henchmen could be sure not to miss any Jew.
In addition, they also had comprehensive genealogical charts cataloging who was a Jew, a "halfbreed" (mischling), by virtue of ancestry or marriage.
I guess that 6 million people went on vacation and liked where they were so much that the just didn't bother to return. ASSHOLE.
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