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I used to believe that the Holocaust really happened.
But now that they made it a crime not to believe in it, I'm not so sure anymore.
If it is true, then why do they have to force people to believe in it?
This relentless quest to cram the Holocaust doctrine down people's throat is almost beginning to resemble the Inquisition.

gymnastic chick, White News Now Forums 30 Comments [7/17/2010 1:42:28 PM]
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Neith

Although the Holocaust did happen, your own reasoning should lead you to conclude that Christianity is false.

7/11/2010 7:10:34 PM



Neith, gymnastic chick didn't say that the holocuast didn't happen, just not that she's certain it did. And for all you know, she could be an atheist.

7/11/2010 7:23:36 PM

Papabear

Believe what you like, but denying the holocaust will show you to be ignorant and too lazy or stupid to do the minimal research to cure your ignorance.

7/17/2010 3:39:24 PM



Somebody strap the gymnastic chick down and torture her horribly until she confesses to belief in the Holocaust.

Then it might resemble the Inquisition.

7/17/2010 4:01:02 PM

Captain Klamydia

Actually 6 million people were abducted by aliens and turned into ants and beer they weren't murdered by Nazi's that'd just be ridiculous, right?

7/17/2010 6:01:56 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

Are you really bendy?

*fapfapfapfapfap*

7/17/2010 7:31:08 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

I'm against it being a crime...but it obviously happened..these European countries need to respect freedom of speech, even for the nay sayers....

7/17/2010 9:05:36 PM

Shadow Phoenix

Holocaust denial's a crime somewhere? That's bad precedent, but I can't say it's not coming from a good place. Here's some edits of the original post.

"Guys, they made it a crime to discriminate against people based on race/gender/orientation. If that's right, then why do they force people to not discriminate?"

"I used to believe that the finding of North America really happened. This relentless quest to cram this history down people's throats is almost beginning to resemble the Spanish Inquisition. I didn't expect this at all!"

7/17/2010 9:19:56 PM

aaa

It's quite obvious that this Holocaust happened.

7/17/2010 9:49:24 PM

werewolf

But, what if the Inquisition didn't happen? Where does that leave us?

7/17/2010 11:55:08 PM

G.Fieendish

Re: ShadowPhoenix's post
Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany,& Austria as I recall, as the Right Wing British historian David Irving, found out to his cost, a couple of years ago, after someone recorded him addressing a Neo-Nazi gathering in Austria, as a key speaker...

7/18/2010 12:59:08 AM

Haseen

Countless witnesses, physical evidence, and Nazi records would beg to differ. Denial is a crime in some places because it's deliberate misinformation that could allow history to repeat itself if it got out of control. People can be unbelievably stupid*, so as unlikely as it is for denial to take off, it could be possible.

*for example, Republicans would only be a fringe minority if people were smart enough to vote in their own self-interest. Also, the fact that there's a "debate" between the creation myth and evolution.

7/18/2010 1:18:40 AM

Davros

I've been to Auschwitz myself. I've seen the Gas Chambers, I've seen the Ovens. Are you saying they put all that up to fool a young ten year old and his family?

7/18/2010 1:22:50 AM

Davros

@Reverend Jeremiah

We do have respect for freedom of Speech (Article 5 of the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany), but Holocaust denial isn't illegal on it's own, it's covered by a much wider law that forbids Hate speech and so on, as Volksverhetzung

7/18/2010 2:21:52 AM

Evil European Atheist

Denying Holocaust is a crime in French Law to.

I have visited a camp, the Struthof, ans seen the crematorium when I was 6.

Since, the only idea that holocaust Denial and apologist could exist make me very angry.

7/18/2010 3:23:40 AM

Agnostic Jew

My grandmother is a Holocaust survivor. Yes, it happened.

7/18/2010 6:25:45 AM



They teach you about the Holocaust in the hope that learning about how a group were demonised and subsequently systematically slaughtered will prevent future generations from allowing such an atrocity to ever happen again. The Inquisition was an attempt to root out religious dissenters who were often tortured and sometimes executed. You may not recognise the difference between learning history and brutal regimes of torture and murder. In which case I have to ask: where the hell did you go to school?

7/18/2010 7:18:56 AM

Allegory for Jesus

The Holocaust was a hoax! The Reptilians were on in it. They told me after the Illuminati did 9-11. I know that none of these are lies because I have just had the idea that 9-11 was done by Muslim terrorists, that the Illuminati aren't an evil world wide conspiracy, and that Reptilian aliens don't exist CRAMMED down my throat for so long now, it just gets kind of suspicious. Ya know? If they were really "facts" then why would people bother mentioning them to me? Yep, they're hiding something...

7/18/2010 11:50:47 AM

Giardano Bruno

I lived in Israel and saw the tattoos.

The reason we push the knowledge of it is because we want to stop it happening again.

7/18/2010 2:38:28 PM

Kat S.

The reasons it is re-enforced and Holocaust denial is outlawed are primarily because it was a henious event that truly happened and must never be forgoten or be repeated, and the people who deny it now are the same types Hitler and his anti-semetic henchmen were that want to ultimately demonize then irradicate the Jews from the planet. Also, outlawing holocaust denial prevents holocaust deniers a chance to influence a large audience into their persuation, because we all know, well hopefully, what happened when the Nazis took political control of a nation.

7/18/2010 8:52:29 PM

Vince

Crime what now? who's cramming anything? The only reason someone would go off the deep end about proving the holocaust is if faced with someone clinically insane enough to not believe it.

7/19/2010 9:59:11 PM



Textbook misapplication of reverse psychology.

7/20/2010 7:29:21 AM

Table Rock

...the Inquisition.

What a show!

Here we go!

7/20/2010 2:40:44 PM

Doubting Thomas

Where have they ever made it a crime to not believe in the Holocaust? I know it Germany it's against the law to spout Holocaust-denier nonsense, but they can't force people to believe it happened.

And anyway, it's interesting to notice how the only people denying the Holocaust happened are the same people who wouldn't mind if it did.

7/20/2010 7:29:47 PM

Justanotheratheist

Nobody is being "forced" to believe that the Holocaust happened (unlike countless millions who are forced to swallow religious crap, but that's another story).

The Holocaust is not a doctrine. It is a crime against humanity of almost unbelieveable proportions. It is out of respect to its victims, and out of a desire to never have something like it happen again, that Holocaust denial is a criminal offence in some countries.

The Inquisition, on the other hand, was put in place purely for the purpose of perpetuation a doctrine.

7/21/2010 2:41:07 AM
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