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To be born a Black person is biological genetics. Homosexuality is an acquired and learned sexual habit. That is not the same thing. It is an insult to Black people to equate sodomy with their skin color in which they had no choice. Homosexuals made an immoral sexual choice to practice deviancy, which is condemned by all civilized religion on the earth: Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Thus, if you are going to favor this indefensible sexual choice, you cannot equate it with racial genetics. That's not the right way to seek sympathy with racial minorities or to manipulate readers by emotional association with civil rights. Homosexuality is wrong, immoral, abnormal and unnatural. And homosexuals and lesbians can also CHOOSE to repent and leave it behind, which many have done. They returned to normal, healthy, moral and natural relations as forgien sinners who accepted God's love for their personal benefit and societal welfare.

lionofparadise, NYTimes 51 Comments [7/24/2010 4:21:51 AM]
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Percy Q. Shunn

Umm, it's "biological" to be born white, too, you fucking moron. By your logic, it should be an insult to equate sodomy (why do you assume only gays sodomize each other?) with being white, a skin color in which you had no choice.

Why the fuck am I wasting my time with this horseshit?

7/24/2010 4:33:23 AM

HoJuSimpson

Homosexuality is an acquired and learned sexual habit.

Really? Where do you sign up? Go ahead, let's see you learn it.

It is an insult to Black people to equate sodomy with their skin color in which they had no choice.

Interesting. Not speaking for anyone else, but I'm not the least bit offended by it, though I don't feel the need to constantly make that comparison. I also happen to be black and a lesbian and I didn't choose either. Your mind = blown amirite. I don't have the fucking strength to play the suffering Olympics with people like you. Racism is racism, homophobia is homophobia, and lives have been ruined due to both. Point: you're a bigoted piece of shit.

7/24/2010 4:34:05 AM

Wozza

Bullshit you peice of shit. I hate fuckers who whine about prejudice to themselves but think its ok to exercise their own prejudices against others. I hope for every innocent person you victimise on the basis of irrelevancies, some racist fucks you about equally. And no, you won't deserve that because you're black, you'll deserve it because you're a wanker.

7/24/2010 4:56:22 AM

aaa

This is the worst argument ever.

7/24/2010 5:05:08 AM

Blue_J

Even if there was no genetic component to homosexuality whatsoever, there would still be no legitimate reason for a free society to try to condemn it.

(I personally think that there's both "nature" and "nurture" elements, but either way it's none of your damn business.)

7/24/2010 5:15:55 AM

I read about the afterlife

I knew I was a homosexual before I engaged in homosexuality -- so how is it acquired and learned? Furthermore, if it was only "habit" -- I could conceivably be attracted to the opposite sex. I am not.

Oh and, by the way, homosexuality is abnormal as it is not the norm. However, homosexuality is not unnatural. Homosexuality has been displayed in a vast amount of animals.

Also, those "fixed" homosexuals -- how many are now celibate? Not having sex any more does not mean that they are "cured" of homosexuality.

7/24/2010 5:27:28 AM

Bi The Way

Ok, Choose to be gay. Right now, go look at gay porn or ask out a man and get a boner while he strip teases. Form a relationship with him and move in. Then ask yourself late at night, while laying down in bed with him, if you really love him. See if you do, and then rage against the civilized religions of the earth. Go to pride parades, rallies, debates, and of course vote democrat. Then, finally when you win over the slightly theocratic government, marry him.

I can do that, can you?
Protip: Bi's are the only people who can choose.

7/24/2010 5:49:28 AM

Dexter

Yeah, left-handedness is also a bad habit by choice. Burn 'em!

7/24/2010 6:08:13 AM



To be born a Black person is biological genetics. Left handedness is an acquired and learned habit. That is not the same thing. It is an insult to Black people to equate left handedness with their skin color in which they had no choice.

7/24/2010 6:28:26 AM

breakerslion

"civilized religion"

Oxymoron.

@HoJuSimpson:

Beautiful!

7/24/2010 6:40:08 AM

Horsefeathers

"Homosexuality is an acquired and learned sexual habit."

Odd. That's not what all of the studies would indicate.

"Homosexuals made an immoral sexual choice to practice deviancy, which is condemned by all civilized religion on the earth: Christianity, Judaism and Islam."

All three of those are religions, not civilizations. Civilizations, throughout the world, have at various times accepted homosexuality as a natural act for a certain portion of the population. Greece, Rome, Japan, India and others--pretty much any of the great civilizations one thinks of in the ancient world--have at some period been completely accepting of it or at least not intolerant toward it.

So shut the fuck up.

"Thus, if you are going to favor this indefensible sexual choice, you cannot equate it with racial genetics. That's not the right way to seek sympathy with racial minorities or to manipulate readers by emotional association with civil rights."

Who you choose to marry or have sex with is a civil right you goober. I'd argue it's a basic human right to begin with.

"Homosexuality is wrong, immoral, abnormal and unnatural."

Explain to me why it's "wrong."

It is "immoral" only because your holy book of choice says it is, which gives no reasoning behind it's proclamation.

It is "abnormal" only in that it shows up only in a minority of the population. Then again, so do green eyes so apparently that's "abnormal" also.

It is obviously not unnatural as it appears throughout nature in hundreds of species.

"And homosexuals and lesbians can also CHOOSE to repent and leave it behind, which many have done. They returned to normal, healthy, moral and natural relations as forgien sinners who accepted God's love for their personal benefit and societal welfare."

Not as far as I can tell. Ask a psychologist. Repressing one's sexual identity is a bad, bad thing.

7/24/2010 6:51:07 AM

Mudak

There is some unintentional truth to one thing this guy says: that gays and lesbians can choose to live a life of heterosexuality. They may not be happy or emotionally fulfilled, but it is true that there's no shortage of gays and lesbians who might choose to live the "straight" lifestyle, primarily because someone shamed them into it.

Of course, why should anyone force that kind of choice on anyone else?

I'm not convinced any of the three Abrahamic religions are all that civilized. But of course they do share certain teachings since they all worship the same god.

And, since you're making the argument that homosexuality is not natural, I'm going to request that you prove this fact. I am going to arrange it so that you are stripped naked, blindfolded, and tied to a chair. I will then parade ten people through the room. It will be a random number of men and women, but at least one of each. They will all do whatever is necessary to mask their gender (hair pulled back, no perfumes, clean shaven, etc) and then pleasure you using non-gender-specific body parts.

If you can correctly identify the genders of at least eight of the ten people who come through (and you're not allowed to just say everyone's a man or everyone's a woman), then I'll give some consideration to your argument that it's not natural. Otherwise shut the fuck up.

7/24/2010 6:51:32 AM

Doubting Thomas

Sorry, but I just don't think I could make myself be gay if I tried. Yes, I could have gay sex but I wouldn't enjoy it. And I imagine the same goes for every other straight man out there, so that pretty much shoots down your "acquired and learned" idea.

7/24/2010 6:52:50 AM

Cy

Yeah, I tried to acquire and learn that homosexual habit. It really didn't work. Was I doing something wrong? Do you have to take some kind of course? Can I sign up for it through the Open University?

7/24/2010 7:01:31 AM

TGRwulf

Except homosexuality IS genetic you loon! And are you saying it's racist to say that? Gah, you are one major dipshit.

7/24/2010 7:17:31 AM

Allegory for Jesus

lol. The point of the comparison is that discriminating against either is equally unwarranted and arbitrary. But, no, homosexuality is NOT entirely learned. It's not simply genetic either.

Also: "civilized religion"! What a farce!

Also also: "Homosexuality is wrong, immoral, abnormal and unnatural." [Citation needed]

7/24/2010 7:28:49 AM

Doctor Whom

Slavery is approved by "all civilized religions on earth": Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. At least it was until they rewrote their eternal verities, as they are starting to do on homosexuality.

7/24/2010 7:50:01 AM

Thinking Allowed

Homosexuality is an acquired and learned sexual habit.

Then please exlain all those homosexuals who come from strict upbringings with homophobic families?

7/24/2010 8:06:02 AM





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To be born a Black person is biological genetics. Homosexuality is an acquired and learned sexual habit.

--- serious proof required.

That is not the same thing. It is an insult to Black people to equate sodomy with their skin color in which they had no choice.

--- Who is making the equation here? Not me!

Homosexuals made an immoral sexual choice to practice deviancy,

--- Still waiting for proof. And byw, aren'rt you being very judgemental about something which is clearly a matter of prejudice for you?

which is condemned by all civilized religion on the earth: Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

--- these so-called 'civilized' religions are the same that killed people for having heterodox views. So the hypocrisy here is very evident.

Thus, if you are going to favor this indefensible sexual choice, you cannot equate it with racial genetics.

--- It's still only you that is making the equation.

That's not the right way to seek sympathy with racial minorities or to manipulate readers by emotional association with civil rights.


--- I just want people to mind their own business and not poke their noses into my sexual affairs.

Homosexuality is wrong, immoral, abnormal and unnatural.

--- So say the prejudiced.

And homosexuals and lesbians can also CHOOSE to repent and leave it behind, which many have done.

--- Like Ted Haggard?

They returned to normal, healthy, moral and natural relations

--- proof required - real proof, not what fundies think.


as forgien sinners who accepted God's love for their personal benefit and societal welfare.


--- Don;t patronise me with your insincere acceptance of idiots who deny their true nature to obtain membership of a warped religious tribe.


7/24/2010 8:07:56 AM

Headache

Holy fuck, lionofparadise.

How many years did you have to study to become this stupid. You are dumber then frog feces, you retarded imbecile.

Now go out and chose to be gay for the next year, let me know when you are ready to introduce your new boyfriend, you canker sore. Let him fuck your ass for some months then come back and repeat the vomit above!

7/24/2010 8:13:26 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Too bad lionofparadise was born stupid.

7/24/2010 8:17:03 AM

Mihangel apYrs

say, just say for the sake of argument, that sexuality is a choice. What the fuck business of yours is it if I "choose" to be gay? It's got nothing to do with you, and I don't believe in your god, so I don't believe in "sin".

The rest of your whitterings aren't worth responding to!

7/24/2010 8:38:42 AM

Shanya Almafeta

You know, as opposed to all the other kinds of genetics out there.

7/24/2010 8:40:52 AM

Enigma32

The only reason you people think it's "unnatural" is because, half the time, you're so deep in the closet you need a fuckin' nightlight. You're so pathetically weak in your "self control" - really, denial of who you are - that you need to project that insecurity towards other people; and try to control them, because you can't control yourself. You're psychologically damaged goods, lionofparadise, just like most every other believer on the planet.

7/24/2010 8:53:29 AM

BobsOldSocks

"civilized religion"

Oxymoron, moron. The rest of your homophobic rant is all the evidence we need.

7/24/2010 9:20:15 AM
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