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Well, the secular world is catching up to what the Bible has taught all along. At our student assemblies over the years, I have often taught children the answer to this chicken and egg problem this way:

“What came first: the chicken or the egg? Well the Bible teaches us that God made the flying creatures on day five of creation, and God told the animals to be fruitful and multiply. So obviously the chicken (a bird) came first, and then they laid eggs.” So the kids would learn it this way, “The chicken came first because God made the birds on day five of the creation week!”

Of course there is also the design issue, which is also alluded to in the article. All the parts/chemicals etc. have to be there for the egg-laying system to work in the first place—it certainly couldn’t evolve.

Ken Ham, Around the World with Ken Ham 74 Comments [7/28/2010 7:49:22 AM]
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The Lazy One

I think dinosaurs were around long before chickens clucked into the world, and dinosaurs laid eggs. Therefore, eggs were before chickens.

7/28/2010 7:52:00 AM

Higgs Boson

Aside from Ken Ham jaw-dropping inanity, this has been one of the worst-covered science stories of the year. The journalists have been so determined to contort the story so that it appears to answer that famous rhetorical question (presumably to amusing), that they completely mislead everyone.

7/28/2010 7:54:18 AM

Horsefeathers

Ignorant as ever, Ham. Ignorant as ever.

I'm sure the bullshit peddling business is treating you well though. At least you're in a recession proof industry.

7/28/2010 7:56:19 AM

Matante

You mo-fo! You're not supposed to answer this riddle, you're supposed to let the children ponder it and train their brain to think, damnit! You completely missed the point of riddles, moron!

7/28/2010 8:00:25 AM

Mudak

If we stick with the Aristotelian philosophy that holds that actuality precedes potentiality, then the actual chicken comes before the potential chicken.

Now who wants an omelet?

7/28/2010 8:05:20 AM

J-

*yawn*

Another goddidit. These are really getting boring and stupid.

7/28/2010 8:09:06 AM

Thinking Allowed

Ken Ham...Deluding himself and his followers for 31 years.

7/28/2010 8:11:40 AM

JohnTheAtheist

It is hard to believe that the laws of the land allow this douchebag to teach our children.

7/28/2010 8:18:34 AM

SeekerLancer

Maybe Ken Ham is just part of some experiment to see how silly a person can get before people stop believing him.

7/28/2010 8:20:03 AM

TGRwulf

No shit the egg didn't evolve. Evolution doesn't even work close to that way.

Also, birds aren't the only creatures that lay eggs douchebag.

7/28/2010 8:21:48 AM

Doubting Thomas

Remember, folks, that this is what passes for "creation science."

Meanwhile, real scientists are concerning themselves with real research into evolutionary processes in order to learn. The "creation scientists" are busy concerning themselves with children's riddles in order to keep themselves stupid.

7/28/2010 8:28:23 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Why does a fireman wear red suspenders?

God says so. Riddle solved!
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> the answer to this chicken and egg problem <

Maybe to people like Kenny this is really a mind bender. Must be the Curse of Ham.

7/28/2010 8:32:00 AM

GigaGuess

Except, and here's the fun part, since Creation Scientists often seem to overlook this fact, but Chickens were designed. By man. Chickens, like the infamous bananas, were hand bred and domesticated to the form we know of them now. Ergo, the lineage wasn't always chickens. Ergo, something not quite a chicken laid an egg with a chicken in it.

Ergo, egg came first.

7/28/2010 8:33:28 AM

Wozza

Willfull stupidity. Every time someone like this manipulates or deliberatley 'misunderstands' findings in order to support their religion it tests my tolerance for these people.

There is a point at which the right to religous freedom ends and the right of people (including the majority of christians) to be safe from the harm this sort of misinformation causes to society takes over.

@Gigaguess: like it a lot!

7/28/2010 8:34:53 AM

Doctor Whom

Read the whole thing (if you dare). It's like a bottle of ultra-concentrated lying-for-Jesus.

7/28/2010 8:42:47 AM

Mister Spak

Funny how we couldn't find the answer to this riddle in the bible until the atheistic muslim America hating scientists found it first.

7/28/2010 8:43:00 AM

Headache

Retarded morons, so fucking typical of this shitty country!

7/28/2010 9:06:13 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Wow. You can't deny the logic of "Bibul sez ____ so...". Also, for last sentence: citation please.

7/28/2010 9:09:03 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

Except that Chickens were not made on day 5..their far reaching ancestry came from the same source as ours. the Chickens you know and love came much later on the scene, and was slowly artificially selected by mankind to look the way they are now.

7/28/2010 9:27:43 AM

Jezeus

Ah fuck... I hope stupid isn't contagious...this guy's teaching kids?

,,, I thought the egg came first. Damn it... I hate when that happens.

7/28/2010 9:40:10 AM

Cid Highwind

This person is actually allowed to *teach* kids?

7/28/2010 9:41:36 AM

Justanotheratheist

Why doesn't this idiot just say "God did everything" and shut the hell up? That's all any of his nonsense ever amounts to anything, so it's a neat one-size-fits-all for the terminally stupid.

7/28/2010 9:46:24 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

What doth life?

7/28/2010 9:51:34 AM

SpukiKitty

Ken Ham & Eggs! LOL!

...sorry...*chuckle*...I couldn't help myself!


7/28/2010 9:54:59 AM

BobsOldSocks

"Well, the secular world is catching up to what the Bible has taught all along."

No. When science discovers something new, bible nuts try to desperately retro-fit their silly book to match.

"“What came first: the chicken or the egg? Well the Bible teaches us that God made the flying creatures on day five of creation, and God told the animals to be fruitful and multiply. So obviously the chicken (a bird) came first, and then they laid eggs.” So the kids would learn it this way, “The chicken came first because God made the birds on day five of the creation week!”"

No. Fairy stories are not the basis for educating children about reality, especially as it's dead wrong. The egg came first, by several tens of millions of years.

"Of course there is also the design issue, which is also alluded to in the article."

Design? Tell me, how does one go about recognising something that is designed as opposed to evolved?

"All the parts/chemicals etc. have to be there for the egg-laying system to work in the first place—it certainly couldn’t evolve."

Just because you in your ignorance say so, doesn't make it so. Reality doesn't give a flying fuck about religious nuts and their opinions. Evolution happens, deal with it.

7/28/2010 10:32:31 AM
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