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Those currently in the political sphere, the media sphere, the 'hollywood' sphere, are currently the ones with the means and voice to name the tune.

Their current top ten 'tunes' are:

1. Abortion is ok
2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok
3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!
4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'
5. Judging is bad
6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!
7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon
9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.
10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

No one wants to be kicked off the island, laughed at, banished, looked down upon, or ignored. so following the above 'rules' allows one admittance to a plethora of 'different clubs'.

derLinder, Rapture Ready 79 Comments [8/12/2010 6:56:40 AM]
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HazelHolly

1. It's not "okay", but in some cases, it's the lesser of two evils.
2. There's nothing wrong with gay marriage. Innocent until proven guilty; it's okay until you can prove it's not. My aunt and uncle are unmarried and have a child, and they are a FAMILY.
3. Leviticus.
4. The easiest way to stop drug problems is to legalise and mainstream drugs, so that you get drugs from the government. You can wean people off slowly and get them help.
5. No, prejudice is bad.
6. If you're rich and successful, then good on you (if it's legitimate). If you're rich, successful and greedy/selfish, shame on you!
7. Yeah, this one's silly. Boosting people's self-esteem is good, but a little bit of competition is healthy.
8. Uh... why would that be a bad thing?
9. Pie chart, please.
10. Guns do more damage then they're worth. Lisences might work.

8/12/2010 7:13:16 AM

Serph-no-Okami

Now for the actual views:

1. Abortion is sometimes a necessary evil, but not without proper sex ed!
2. Gay marriage and cohabitation are ok, as they should be.
3. You cannot cherrypick laws, like illegaly banning marriage based on sexual preference of forcing woman what to do with their own bodies.
4. Trying to ban drugs isn't really working but that does not mean people advocate making the likes of LSD or XTC legal.
5. Judging is bad when you're no paragon of integrity yourself (and really, who is?)
6. Being rich and successful isn't inherently bad unless it goes at the cost of those who aren't!
7. You actually sort of maybe have a point there, so I'll let that one slide.
8. I really doubt it is, but I know some parents who complain when their kids get bad grades and that irritates me to no end, but then again, it's hardly the norm.
9. People should look down on fundamentalism and any religious practices that voilate laws and human rights, but still too many people get away with it by hiding behind religion. Muslims, Jews and Christians alike.
10. Irresponsible gun ownership is bad, owning a gun in and of itself isn't ideal but not necessary bad.

8/12/2010 7:21:14 AM

Orion

"1. Abortion is ok"
Movies like Juno and Knocked Up were certainly following that line! Oh wait. And the line is:
"abortion is always tragic, but sometimes necessary"

"2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok"
Oh noes! People who aren't devout christians are doing things that only devout christians aren't meant to do! People are being happy, while my silly religious rules constrain me!

"3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow"

Yeah outlaws are a popular subject of fictional movies. But opposition to a law is not breaking that law.

"4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'"

Yeah that's really coming out in the political sphere these days. And that's about right, there are better things the cops could be doing than busting harmless stoners and ravers.

"5. Judging is bad"

Usually yeah, being judgmental is a pretty fast way to be unliked by whomever you judge. Plus very few people can actually claim moral high ground from other people, we've all done bad stuff.

"6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!"

Yeah these guys are real saints. Though I applaud the initiative of Gates in this, it is hardly a great sacrifice to lose half your money if that leaves you with $20 billion dollars. Most rich and successful people get there under our current system by either directly or indirectly exploiting cheap labour, raping the environment and overcharging the consumer. Basically all people of substantial wealth have either done/authorized some pretty horrible shit.

8/12/2010 7:21:36 AM

Orion

part 2

"7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs."

Yeah positivity irritates me too. The gooey feel-goodness shields people from realizing their own flaws or mistakes. I'll agree with you on that.

"8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon"

Okay. Never seen this anywhere. Some feel that intelligence is not quantifiable, but this hardly permeates the education system, the political sphere or movies.

"9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc."

Bullshit, Muslims are more despised openly more than any other world religion at this point in time. All your religions are worthy of loathing.

"10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'."

Which is why hollywood films never give their main characters guns or show action heroes with guns in a positive light. And politicians are close to a resolution to ban all guns and the media is behind them all the way. Yeah bullshit man, Guns and promotion of gun ownership pervade through American society.

You're a fairly dumb hick.

8/12/2010 7:27:17 AM

Doubting Thomas

1. Abortion is ok

Abortion rights are OK.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok

Either way, doesn't affect me or bother me a bit. It's going to happen whether you like it or not, so either be OK with it or keep fretting. What business is it of yours if a couple, gay or not, want to live together?

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow,

It works with you and your bible. Eat any shellfish or wear a 60/40 poly/cotton blend shirt lately?

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

I'm against legalization of hard drugs, don't have much of an opinion on marijuana other than it's not as bad as drugs like heroin or meth.

5. Judging is bad

Doesn't your own bible say this? Oh yeah, see #3 above.

8/12/2010 7:31:52 AM

Doubting Thomas

Part 2

6. Being rich and successful is bad

Again, didn't that long hair guy you guys love say as much? Oh yeah, see #3.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.

I agree that competition is a good thing. How else can you know how good you are at something without competing?

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon

If this were true then I agree it's a bad thing. How is a child going to know how to learn if he doesn't know how well/poorly he's doing?

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK

All three religions are hateful to a certain extent. Don't claim that Christianity has the patent on kindness, because there are some Christian terrorists out there, like the Army of God. And many Christians do beat their wives. And yes, I think that fundamentalist Islam is a violent, oppressive religion.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

I'm all for responsible ownership of firearms. And they're called BB guns. I have no idea what a bibi gun is.


8/12/2010 7:32:35 AM

Michael the Christian

I was FocusedOnGod in that thread, so everything I had to say to it was already said. #8 just baffled me though. Where is it bad to give grades? And I love how some of the things she mentioned agree with the Bible (#5 and 6 in particular).

8/12/2010 8:01:12 AM

Philbert McAdamia

No one wants to be kicked off the island, laughed at, banished, looked down upon, or ignored.

Bullshit. You fundies cream in your jeans at the thought of persecution. You love it. It's your biggest fantasy.
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Masochist: "Hurt me, hurt me!"

Sadist: "No."

8/12/2010 8:18:27 AM

The Duelist

When Linder opened his mouth about "Eastern Religions", he was referring to Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, etc., because of the following reasons:

1. None of these religions permit violence in any way.
2. All of them(to my knowledge) promote thinking for yourself instead of blindly accepting what teachers tell you.
3. Christian Fundies have always been jealous of said religions because things like meditation are actually proven to work.

He's just ejaculating about how 'demonic' all non-Christian philosophies and religions are, not because he knows anything about them, but merely because they are different from his beliefs.
Oh, and by the way, Islam/"moslem" is the same thing, ya goon.

8/12/2010 8:23:40 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

1. Well, a necessary evil at least.
2. Yes. It's fine. No problem.
3. Not true. We're willing to enforce illegal immigration laws; we just don't want to set up new, insanely draconian ones like we're the fucking Candlekeep Inn in Baldur's Gate.
4. Well, it's illegal, but not for a good reason. The law shouldn't be ignored; it should be changed.
5. Yep. Suck it.
6. Since when? Hollywood is BUILT on getting rich and successful. It's the capitalist capitol of the entertainment industry. The difficulty is that not all the consumers are capitalist, so they have to pretend to have populist sentiments or people won't buy their shit.
7. No, that's what elementary school is built on. Politics and the media? Hardly.
8. I...what? Where the fuck did this come from? I guess you could make the argument from movies with child protagonists, but the movies are simply pointing out that kids don't like school and don't like being graded, which is just a matter of observable reality.
9. Islam's hateful and full of its own problems, but let's talk REAL Eastern religions, like Buddhism. Buddhism has no honor killings, no wife beatings, nothing violent or bad in any way.
10. If someone makes a rule that you can't bring a firearm somewhere, then you're breaking the rule by bringing the firearm there. 2nd Amendment rights are only related to actions taken by the government, not by private landowners.

8/12/2010 8:23:49 AM



#8 lol wut?

8/12/2010 8:29:14 AM



1. Not "okay", but preferable over some other worse alternative.
2. Perfectly fine by me.
3. Law to control ILLEGAL immigration is fine. Except when the way it is done is absolutely moronic (really? Give police all the power to harass someone just because they LOOK illegal?)
4. Because banning it apparently cause more harm, since we don't exactly have infinite money to pay the police.
5. It is, the Bible even specifically stated that.
6. Something about Camel and eye of the needle in the Bible, and about rich people.
7. Jesus doesn't seem to like people who compete with each other.
8. Not the norm in anyway (not in political, media or hollywood). There are cases in media of some snowflake parent, but those are not the norm.
9. They rip on any belief system that violates basic human right, including Islam on "honor killings" (thou technically not Islam, just some screwed up cultural sects, they do have other problem).
10. Jesus said something about sword, and living and dying by it.

In short, the religion you claim America is part of? The stuff you preach goes completely against that!
(As for 10, I like guns, and believe that there should be minimal restrictions on it, maybe treat it like driver licenses).

8/12/2010 8:44:40 AM

Swede

I concur with the first sentence, except for the "currently". This is as it has always been; the people with power are the ones in charge.

1. Abortion is sometimes the lesser of two evils. The option to have a safe abortion in a hospital must be available, or desperate people will try anything to get rid of unwanted embryos.
2. A sounding YES!
3. Nope, laws are to be followed. Your Golden Boy GWB and his puppet-masters was experts in law-cherry-picking, and most fundies are experts in Bible-cherry-picking.
4. Nope, no illegal drugs should be used. You might harm others under the influence. If caffeine, nicotine or alcohol was invented today, they would probably be illegal too.
5. Yes to this one. Only courts should judge.
6. It depends on what you do with your riches, how you became successful and at what.
7. Sometimes competition is good, sometimes it's bad.
8. Kids should first learn that they can do things. Then, when they are mature enough, you can start grading them.
9. Followers of Abrahamic religions are sometimes hateful. (Muslims follow Islam, stupid!) You should not be judged on your faith, but on your actions.
10. Owning firearms increase the risk of harming someone with them, or be harmed by them. But owning alone is not a reason to kick someone off the island. There should be a license, and the gun should be kept unloaded and locked up.

8/12/2010 8:45:51 AM

breakerslion

There's a Teabagger version of this too that starts out:

1. Abortion is not okay because our sensibilities are more important than your civil rights and our God is so lame we need to legislate our moral beliefs.

Get the picture?

8/12/2010 9:03:28 AM

Thinking Allowed

None of those make sense to me. But considering it's from Rapture Ready, that is no surprise.

8/12/2010 9:03:59 AM

Headache

I'll do this a bit easier:
1 - 10 : Epic Fail!

8/12/2010 9:20:57 AM

GigaGuess

Part 1

1. Abortion is ok
No, it is a necessary evil. I would love for abortion to be a thing of the past because it was deemed unnecessary. However, such an idea is naive. A girl shouldn't have to decide between getting an education or carrying a child. Or between having a child and paying rent. Or her very survival...yes, abortions are sometimes performed to save a mother's life.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok
Why does what two people do in the privacy of their own homes matter to you?

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!
No, however when you people are screeching to wall off your country, that seems a little too far in the other direction.

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'
Because locking people up for possessing some weed AS A FELONY is so much better.

5. Judging is bad
Judge not lest ye be judged? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!
Being rich is not a sin. However, hoarding wealth while people suffer seems rather selfish to me. If you don't want to share, fine, but I have far more respect for someone who takes from his own plate to give to one who has nothing on theirs.

8/12/2010 9:27:24 AM

GigaGuess

Part 2

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
No, I don't agree with this at all. Kids should learn to be gracious winners, as well as gracious losers.

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon
Again, I don't agree with this at all. The object of schools is to learn and prepare for the real world. In the real world, you're graded and evaluated.

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.
No, EXTREMISTS are hateful. I have no problem with religion, it's the ones who twist and pervert their religion back to the archaic, tribalistic roots to justify their own hated and prejudices. Also, please don't act like your lot is so pro women. Believe me, you guys just don't have the law enforcing your beliefs.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.
Owning a firearm, I have no issue with. I don't see why registering a firearm is so horrible to you guys. I would particularly prefer to see gun safety as necessary to get said license. However, you guys seem to think the right to bear arms means the right to stockpile enough weapons to make Columbian Drug Lords green with envy, and honestly don't see why the average person looks at you like you're a fucking loon.

8/12/2010 9:29:02 AM

aaa

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!

Look, make legal immigration process more reasonable so they do not have to use illegal methods to bring food to the table.

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

So, why is tobacco, alcohol and HFCS allowed? How is pot verboten? It's very similar to tobacco in many ways.

6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!

Are you mocking people for giving money to charity? Really? And who said anything about owning gold? Gold is a good conductor and valuable for making high-quality electronics.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon


What. We don't care about "you are special" shit. We care about results.

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.

These things are already covered under the regular law, you moron. And since when you guys have cared about expressing violence?

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

This shit again? Please. Your bolt action will always be pretty unregulated. Only guns that will be perceived as "evil" will receive flak.

8/12/2010 9:57:13 AM

dionysus

1. Abortion is ok

No, it's not always okay. There are certain circumstances in which it is though.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok

So what? Get your fucking big-ass nose out of people's private lives.

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!

Laws CANNOT be cherry-picked. However, they CAN be protested. It's called DEMOCRACY.

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

Again, get your big, fat nose out of other peoples' business.

5. Judging is bad

Even your fucking Bible says so. "Judge not lest ye be judged" ring a bell?

6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!

Being rich isn't bad. Being rich off of the misery of others is.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.

Competition is great, and while not everyone should get a trophy self-esteem is freaking important.

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon

WTF? Who even supports this? If anything, creationists are the ones that want a passing grade despite being completely at variance with reality.

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.

Well, their spokespeople are the ones that give off that impression.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

So celebrities are against guns. So what? They're not forcing people to abandon them (which would violate the Constitution), they're just encouraging it. Doesn't mean you have to listen.

8/12/2010 10:04:53 AM

Berny

Thanks, derLinden, for one of the funniest and most retarded things I've reads in months.
1. Not your fucking business. NO one is forcing you to have one.
2. Not your fucking business either. See 1.
3. The laws you are alluding to are racist and target American citizens as well as illegals.
4. Some of Americans anti-drug laws are moronic, especially the ones against marijuana.
5. Judging is fine as long as it happens in court. Keep your retarded hateful opinions to yourself. Your own Bible says not to do it.
6. Are you seriously dissing wealthy individuals who choose to donate their wealth. You are a fuckstick. Refer to your Bible again, specifically what Jesus said about a rich man getting into Heaven.
7. Not everyone agrees with this "self-esteem" crap. However, it's a damn sight better than the Christian "everyone is filth in the eyes of the Lord until they accept Jesus".
8. You are absolutely correct. I would start by grading all homeskooled Christians against state standards including science.
9. Stick around. We ridicule Islam and other religions around here. As for wife beatings, they're not exclusive to Islam.
10. I have no problems with responsible gun ownership. The key word here is "responsible".

8/12/2010 10:26:44 AM

FB

5. Judging is bad


You do know that Jesus said that, don't you?

8/12/2010 10:44:08 AM

Allegory for Jesus

The conservative Christian talking points tunes, by contrast:

1. Control of childbirth is bad. Every sperm is sacred, every zygote has a soul.
2. Being gay and having sex without a wedding ring is bad. Why? Because.
3. Deporting or jailing illegal immigrants, regardless of how long they've been here or contributed to our society, is both practical and moral.
4. Drugs are bad, even if they aren't harmful.
5. Being judgmental is something to strive for.
6. Charity by rich people is a horrific wrong and people holding onto massive amounts of currency without spending it has no economic consequences!
7. Competition is paramount. Anyone who comes short of 1st place deserves to be spit upon. Fuck people's self-esteem, kids need to learn that there are winners and losers as early as possible!
8. Knowing how actual schools work is frowned upon.
9. The majority religions of the nation don't deserve to be criticized. Islam's beliefs are much worse than Christianity/Judaism because...um...oh, those things they do in 3rd world countries that leftists bring up and oppose adamantly! (Just make sure not to mention the execution of gays and infidels that other fundies drool over in envy!)
10. Gunsgunsgunsgunsgunsgunsguns.

Follow the above, and welcome to Club Crazy!

8/12/2010 10:47:25 AM

Sisyphus

@HazelHolly: gun licenses don't work We tried it in Canada and it's been a multi billion dollar boondoggle.

8/12/2010 10:50:38 AM

Doctor Whom

3. Constitutional rights can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. the equal-protection clause is NOT to be followed or else you are a fag-enabling naughty pants and no soup for you!

Better?

8/12/2010 11:02:27 AM
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