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I've been roaming around the 'net' reading the myriad of comments made from both sides of the aisle and pulpit. What amazes me is that no one seems to be addressing the effect on the children. It's a glaring ommission.

Homosexuality and all it's incarnations will now be taught as 'normal' in school irregardless of the child's or the child's family's religous beliefs. The children of America have lost their freedom to practice Christianity out loud or in private as any and all comments, beliefs, et.al. refuting the homosexual lifestyle will be seen as hate speech. All the fun that comes with these beliefs will soon follow. Being made an example of comes to mind.

So adorable little Sally, who's all of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grade will be bombarded with text books showing Johnny's two mommies or daddies. She will be taught that this is 'normal', acceptable, and even encouraged as we 'must all explore our sexuality'. The lifestyle is self-perpetuating as it can't procreate--oh, but it's oh so 'normal'. Indeed.

Sally may even be questioned on where she got these views/beliefs. Why mommie/daddie/ grandma/grandpa of course. I'm not Chicken Little. This all will happen. The text books have already been printed, just waiting in the wings. This is not a tin foil meme, someone very close to me was a public elementry school librarian and retired early so they did not have to witness or be a part of what was coming down the pike for our dear innocent children. She read the textbooks. They're here.

So now we have these poor children who will not only be confused, but torn in their loyalties. What child has not looked up to and admired their kindergarten, 1st - 3rd grade teachers? And what if the teachers encourage the children to report on their family's views regarding this and other topics.

This was always going to happen. Watch how fast these textbooks make it into the school. We've been duped again. They just had to go through the 'motions'. One judge overthrows the will of 7,000,000 people? Yeah right. Where I come from, that's called living in a totalitarian state, communist state, etc., etc., whatever label anyone wants to put on it. Basically, anti-freedom.

My only remaining comment is to beg the Lord to please get us out of here so that His justice and will may be done.

derLinder, RR 58 Comments [8/15/2010 4:25:26 AM]
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The Lazy One

Is it just me or does this read like derLinder's fap fantasy?

8/15/2010 4:48:10 AM

The Jamo

What child has not looked up to and admired their kindergarten, 1st - 3rd grade teachers?

You've got one right here, though I'm hardly a child any more. Still, those years were truly horrendous. Don't believe me? Then you must try being in a communist state kindergarten staffed by people who don't give a shit about you. But I guess you didn't really think that through, did you?

8/15/2010 4:57:24 AM

Hades

WAAAAAH, THE POOR CHILDREN WILL BE CONFUSED! Being confused by a subject doesn't mean that subject must be suspended from the curriculum. Math confuses me, but I still had to learn it. Life in general is confusing, it's not all laid out in a book for us, despite what you believe.

One judge overthrew the "will of 7,000,000 people" because the "will of 7,000,000 people" didn't jibe with that pesky ol' constitution of ours.

8/15/2010 5:00:05 AM

Bill O'R'lyeh

"Irregardless" isn't a word, christfag.

8/15/2010 5:11:41 AM

Mudak

Think age appropriate, here. They don't teach the "plumbing" until much older than that. And you really don't give kids much credit, do you?

My older son will be six at the end of the week and he never ceases to amaze me, the insight and humor he brings to just about everything.

8/15/2010 5:46:14 AM

Thrutch

Fundie and conspiracy!

I do feel sorry for them, though, what must it be like to live in such a state of constant fear?

8/15/2010 5:54:30 AM

Adel Khoury

Forget the ridiculous "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" hand-wringing--I'm getting fed up with the egregious misuse of the word "communism" among these people.

Where I come from, that's called living in a totalitarian state, communist state, etc., etc., whatever label anyone wants to put on it.

Whatever label anyone wants? Okay, let's call it "THE PROPER OPERATION OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM." Read up on those Founding Fathers you love so much, especially their views on the "tyranny of the majority." Funnily enough, "communism" doesn't mean "totalitarianism." Or are you still stuck in the 20th century, when communist conspiracy theorists didn't sound like paranoid nutjobs?
And where does this asshat get off talking about freedom? Last time I checked, the Rapture Ready brand of Christianity was more or less the antithesis of freedom.

8/15/2010 5:55:24 AM

Mortok

Yes, Lord. Please, take your followers with you as soon as you possibly can.

8/15/2010 5:56:11 AM

Starscream

So adorable little Sally, who's all of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grade will be bombarded with text books showing Johnny's two mommies or daddies.


Why do these Raptards always imagine that schools will teach nothing BUT homosexuality? Yes, it may be mentioned once or twice and they'll say it's acceptable, and rightly so. But schools aren't going to be turned into pro-homosexual brainwashing camps! Brainwashing is your thing, if I remember rightly...

8/15/2010 6:16:48 AM

D Laurier.

derLinder faps furiously.
"oh yes, persecute me" fap fap fap fap

8/15/2010 6:34:17 AM

Milza


8/15/2010 7:09:13 AM

Serph-no-Okami

And yet, what you describe is what I've been taught for as long as I can remember, just like with practically everyone my age, but I only know 3 gay couples and only 1 person who had some doubts as to her sexuality. Nobody else had any doubts about theirs, gay or straight. So yeah, keep on dreaming.

8/15/2010 7:20:28 AM

dionysus

Oh noes! Children will learn to tolerate a persecuted minority (and unlike your ilk, they actually HAVE been persecuted; by your ilk)? That's horrendous? And what's worse is that your children won't be able to be complete bigots without being looked down upon. Oh the humanity! Listen, parasite, you can still hate gays, you can even teach your little future bigots to hate gays but you're not allowed to take away their rights or discriminate against them. You can still fantasize about them burning in hell as your ilk loves to do and even say that this is what you believe will happen.

8/15/2010 7:37:30 AM

aaa

This is ridiculous. You don't even know what living in totalitarian country is like.

8/15/2010 8:28:58 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Short version: we must not make homosexuality socially acceptable, otherwise we'll have to teach people that it's socially acceptable.

This is about on a par with the argument, that I've seen made with a straight face, that drugs shouldn't be legalized because they are illegal. The original argument was somewhat longer - I think some people are simply incapable of keeping track of the variables in any chain of thought with more than one step.

8/15/2010 9:05:11 AM

Swede

Freedom of speech, do you have it?

Irregardless must be a double negative, i.e. an positive.

The exact same things that derLinder is screaming about were fear-mongered about when slavery was about to end and when multicultural marriages were going to be legal. "Oh, poor little Sally, she'll be so confused! Now she'll be forced to learn that having a pale-skinned daddy and a dark-skinned mommy is 'normal'. This was always going to happen."

What kinds of different "incarnations" are homosexuality present in, except "gay" and "lesbian"? Perhaps "bisexual" as well (although they are not homosexuals, really).

Sexuality has a very small space in school in the first place. Teaching the kids, just before they enter puberty, what sex is, how it's done and how to avoid pregnancy and STDs will only take a few classes.
I was taught something like this during the eighties, with homosexuality mentioned as well. I wasn't traumatized or "lesbianized" by those classes, not in the slightest.

Most homosexuals in the US are probably Christians, as most people in the US are Christians.
Apart from the tiny issue of sexual orientation, homosexuals are just like anyone else.

8/15/2010 9:09:45 AM

Papabear

"My only remaining comment is to beg the Lord to please get us out of here so that His justice and will may be done."

I agree. I, too, fervently wish you and your ilk would get out of here.

8/15/2010 9:23:43 AM

Mr Blur

How can anyone prevent you from practising anything in private?

(If only you would).

8/15/2010 10:22:31 AM

TB Tabby

Nobody is addressing the effect gay marriage has on children...because there isn't any.

Same-sex marriages won't be "taught" in schools, any more than opposite-sex marriages will. Children are still free to openly practice any religion they choose, just as long as they don't disrupt school proceedings or force it on others. And when did the main tenet of Christianity become "You must hate gay people with every fiber of your being?" What happened to "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek?" It's almost as if the only reason you cling to your religion is because it gives you an excuse to be a bigot.

8/15/2010 11:25:05 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Normal? Probably not. Acceptable? Sure. See, not everything acceptable is normal. Sky diving is acceptable. Is it normal? No. I don't mean a whole lot of sky divers. People do it, but it's an uncommon trait. I doubt homosexuality will ever really be viewed as normal, but with time it can be viewed as acceptable and not used as a basis to deprive people of rights (like the right to marry the person they love).

I didn't particularly admire my K-3 teachers. I can't remember K or 1 at all, and my 3rd grade teacher was kind of a bitch. My 2nd grade teacher was nice, but that was partially because she was new.

Where I come from, one judge overthrowing the will of seven million bigots is called a republic doing its job instead of pretending to be a democracy. Seriously, a true democracy would be HELL. Ever heard of a concept called "tyranny of the majority"? Yeah. That's what you're looking at without a system like ours to filter out what the people want from what's actually best for them.

8/15/2010 11:35:44 AM

Dr. Razark

"Where I come from, that's called living in a totalitarian state..."

You seem to have misspelled "constitutional republic". You know, the votes of 7 million, or 70 million, or even 700 million don't matter, if they are being used to squash the rights of other people.

8/15/2010 11:55:09 AM

Old Viking

Utter confusion.

8/15/2010 12:44:25 PM

Wehpudicabok

Why is it that the same people who use the phrase "totalitarian state" in a rant about sexuality being covered in public school curricula feel that their "religious rights" are violated when they can't shove their own opinions about creationism into those same public schools? You can't have it both ways.

Also, the ability of judges to overturn decisions by the people that are found unconstitutional--which you hilariously equate to a "totalitarian state"--has been a core component of the U.S. government for over two hundred years.

8/15/2010 2:32:25 PM

WWWWolf

> I've been roaming around the 'net' reading the myriad of comments made from both sides of the aisle and pulpit. What amazes me is that no one seems to be addressing the effect on the children. It's a glaring ommission.

Did you know FSTDT has a quote search function? It would indicate that your research skills aren't very good; this topic has been discussed pretty often.

> Sally may even be questioned on where she got these views/beliefs. Why mommie/daddie/ grandma/grandpa of course.

You can't say "oh dear God please persecute me harder harder HARDER" without "me".

After all, what good is an evil school conspiracy if it won't point at you, the valiant expositor, accusingly?

> So now we have these poor children who will not only be confused, but torn in their loyalties.

Yeah, situations where someone is feeding you misinformation tend to be like that.

> One judge overthrows the will of 7,000,000 people? Yeah right. Where I come from, that's called living in a totalitarian state,

A state where people decide that an undesired group of people has no civil rights that the other people have? Where I come from, that's called living in a lawless mobocracy.

> totalitarian state, communist state, etc., etc., whatever label anyone wants to put on it.

Look, these are all political terms, which have very specific meanings. Totalitarianism and communism are not just arbitrary words that mean "bad stuff". This is not a bloody word salad. You can't just stick in whatever terms you want and expect it to make sense.

> Basically, anti-freedom.

...said he, advocating lack of freedom for homosexuals.

8/15/2010 2:51:52 PM

Saint Mango

As someone with a gay parent it would have been quite nice to have seen some books showing two mums or dads so that it didn't feel quite so unusual. So how about YOU think of the children? I didn't ask for a gay parent just like your kids didn't ask for an arsehole parent, and if I have kids they won't have asked for a metalhead parent. All of the above can be argued to be "normal" families. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't "normal". Which is a ridiculous word to apply to humans, might I add, we are a motley bunch.

Me, btw: straight as they come. Teh Gay is not contagious or something that is "taught", and neither is heterosexuality.

And lol @ totalitarian state. Just lol.

8/15/2010 2:59:17 PM
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