John_in_Oz

Doctor Doom- tyrant wanna-be in fact and fiction.

8/24/2010 1:22:59 AM

WMDKitty

If it's on public land, it's automatically government-sponsored, and thus illegal.

8/24/2010 1:26:05 AM

Funny how "perversion" of the Constitution is contemptible unless it's you guys doing it huh? Also, you describe atheists as "sniveling God-haters". Apart from being wildly inaccurate, the only sniveling I can see right now is a grown (?) man whining because you can't put a cross on public land. "Waaaaaah, I can't put the symbols of my cult on the town green, how can I stand this persecution?".

8/24/2010 1:46:03 AM

agrf

Actully it not leagal unless you provide all the seasonal religous celabatory icons.

8/24/2010 1:58:55 AM

AIF

You do realize that the language of Madison's original draft of the Establishment Clause, was not so friendly to unbelievers, and in fact provided all beliefs with protections not afforded to non-believers. This and no less than two other drafts were struck down by the first Congress, before settling on the version seen today.

The Establishment Clause, stating that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", as well as the Free Excercise Clause, "... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", basicly prohibit the government from supporting any religion through legislation, or preferential treatment, unless Free Excercise is being impinged upon.

Unless the government intends on displaying all religious symbols upon request, they cannot show preference by displaying any particular religion's symbols permanently on publicly owned land. In other word's government displaying preference was never legal, but was tolerated in times when it was harder to hear a minority voice.

Nobody's telling you you can't wear a cross, or go to church on Sunday. You're free to preach as long as you obey all local ordinances (loitering, trespassing, harassment, just generally respecting others), and don't impinge on other people's Free Exercise.

Justice Hugo Black in 1947 stated that:
'The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."'

8/24/2010 2:07:39 AM

Mudak

Which is why you want to wipe your ass with the constitution to ban flag desecration and define marriage as between a man and a woman, right?

8/24/2010 2:08:33 AM

nutbunny

As far as I understand (me not being American and all) the 1st amendment is GOOD for YOU too.

It's always about dominance with you guys. Why not sign up for some field combat to get rid of all your impotent rage.

8/24/2010 2:55:54 AM

Wozza

We sure do have the upper hand and there ain't fuck all you're going to do about it, internet tough-guy.

8/24/2010 3:00:47 AM

aaa

Damn, you are one whiny little bitch.

8/24/2010 3:24:16 AM

There you go again, with the throat-shoving.

8/24/2010 3:35:55 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Until a gaggle of obnoxious heathen scumbags wiped their asses with the Constitution and rammed their contemptible perversion of the First Amendment down America's collective throat

When I read this part, all I could think was, how did you live with yourself voting for bush. Remember this little gem?...

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" George W. Bush, Nov. 2005

Or, how about this one:

"The Constitution is an outdated document."
Bush adminstration Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

Oh, and a cross has never been legal on public land. Nor has any symbol of any other religion.

8/24/2010 4:27:09 AM

Rapax Pringer

DoctorDoom has now officially become synonymous with "tiny penis".

8/24/2010 4:33:37 AM

Mister Spak

Until a gaggle of obnoxious christian scumbags wiped their asses with the Constitution and rammed their contemptible perversion of the First Amendment down America's collective throat, a cross was legal on PRIVATE land. It still IS legal on private land, although you sniveling America haters still have the upper hand for now.

Fixed.

8/24/2010 5:04:47 AM

dionysus

The government can't put up a crescent moon, a star of David, or a red 'A' either you know, because the CONSTITUTION prevents the government from taking sides in religion.

8/24/2010 6:06:03 AM

awitch

<nelson_muntz>
Haw-Haw!
</nelson_muntz>

8/24/2010 6:40:25 AM

Doubting Thomas

How much you want to bet that Dr. Doom and others like him would say that a Muslim moon symbol on public property is unconstitutional?

Hell, they're already saying that Muslims building a prayer room in NYC two blocks from where the WTC stood shouldn't be allowed.

8/24/2010 6:54:02 AM

Horsefeathers

"Until a gaggle of obnoxious heathen scumbags wiped their asses with the Constitution and rammed their contemptible perversion of the First Amendment down America's collective throat, a cross was legal on PUBLIC land."

Bush and his cronies were heathens? Whoda thunk it?

"It still IS legal on public land, although you sniveling God-haters still have the upper hand for now."

No, a cross is not legal on public land. Nor has any other religious symbolism. It's public land because the government owns it and allows everyone to use it. Since the government can't go promoting, sponsoring or otherwise elevating one religion over another--or seeming to do so--all religious iconography is prohibited from being erected.

Why is this so difficult for people such as yourself?

8/24/2010 7:12:42 AM

SpukiKitty

To quote many posters..."mirror...shiny...."

8/24/2010 7:29:54 AM

So you'd be just fine with a Buddhist statue on public land, too?

8/24/2010 7:44:33 AM

GigaGuess

Yet they screech about how a Mosque on PRIVATE land should not be permitted.

8/24/2010 7:54:56 AM

TGRwulf

Public land is owned by the government, and seperation of church and state makes it illegal for the government to endorse any particular religion. Therefore, even before the so calle "atheist movement" in this country, it was already illegal to put a cross on public property.

It always amaze me at how little American history these supposed "patriots" know.

8/24/2010 7:57:20 AM

Horus IX

If it is paid for with government money, which is collected from the people regardless of religion, then said money cannot be spent on religious things. It is in the Constitution that you tout around but know nothing about.

8/24/2010 8:33:03 AM

Lucilius

Ah, same ol' DoctorDumb, managing to work his obsession with asses and throat-ramming into every conversation.

I'd love to see this guy at the grocery store: "What? $2.99 for a pack of hot dogs? How dare you try to ram overpriced weiners down my throat! You can shove them up your asses first!
... Um, how 'bout it?"

8/24/2010 8:53:33 AM

Thinking Allowed

Doctor Dumb doesn't understand what the First Amendment really is all about.

8/24/2010 9:01:00 AM

John

A cross is legal on your land ... not on public land. It's you who are wiping your ass with the Constitution.

8/24/2010 9:09:18 AM