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[Re. a mother who murdered her two children by placing them in her car and pushing the car into a river.]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; this all comes back to contraception.

Separate sex from procreation, make it a hobby or pass time, and try and eliminate the consequences (pregnancy). When contraception fails, no problem, get an abortion, destroy the consequences. Didn’t get an abortion, the next logical step is infanticide, or dumpster babies, cause I didn’t realize how hard it was or how much I would have to give up by not getting an abortion. Next, whats the difference between killing a newborn and a 1 year old, or 2 year old? 1 or two years. You are looking at a 7th and 10th trimester abortion in that car in her mind. If you have the right to contracept a life out of existence, then the line will be blurred from 1 month after conception, 5 months 25 months etc. It devalues all life at all ages because when contraception fails and pregnancy occurs, the user feels “robbed” of their “freedom”, and “entitled” to have what she wanted in the first place, sex without consequences, which is the mentality that contraception encourages.

People who do not know the answer to the following question, will never get it- What is the ONLY thing that is added to a human being after conception until the day they die? Answer- Time. That is why it is irrelevant from the moment of conception until natural death whether or not its form is the same. Is a 2 month old the same person as a 2 year old? Don’t they look different? Is one more developed? Does that mean its a different person or the same? How about when that 2 year old is 20? Are they the same person? Is one more worthy of life? Time changes us, our form, our appearance, our outlook, but it is still the same person whether in single cell, 5 months gestation, 2 years or 97 years old. Until people see that clearly, look for more 4 plus trimester “abortions”.

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old comment by Swede

What is the only thing added to a human being after conception?
EVERYTHING, stupid. At conception it's just two cells merging into one cell. That cell has no sense of self, no nervous system, no brain, nothing. It's less of a human being than the skin cells you scratch off your nose when it itches. STOP SCRATCHING IMMEDIATELY!

About 70-90 percent of all fertilized eggs are just flushed out during mensturation. Another 25 percent or so are misscaried. A very small amount of those one minute old merged cells actually become human beings.

After the fetus has gained a rudimentary brain and can feel pain, then I can agree that it is a human being worth preserving. But not at all costs; the woman carying the fetus has sense of self and is more important to society than the fetus.
Most countries have their limit for abortions around the end of the first trimester, when the embryo becomes a fetus.

old comment by The L

1. The word is "pastime," and frankly I don't see what's wrong with enjoying sex. Surely if God made our sex organs the way they are, he wanted us to find the sex act enjoyable?

2. We all know sex makes babies. Even those of us who want babies don't necessarily want them NOW. But some of us are also married/engaged and want to show our devotion to our spouse/fiance(e) in a physical manner. There is nothing wrong with this. I sincerely hope you don't self-flagellate or something every time marital relations don't result in pregnancy for you.

3. Contraception PREVENTS abortions, by preventing pregnancy from happening in the first place. They're also a lot cheaper than abortions OR raising a child. You can buy a condom for less than a dollar at a gas station, for crying out loud! An abortion, on the other hand, costs thousands of dollars and isn't covered by health insurance.

4. Time isn't the only thing that's added. If you don't add PLENTY of food and water, and keep away nasty diseases, that zygote won't last more than about a week. That's the whole reason why the fetus is attached to the mother's body to begin with--it can't eat yet, so it has to siphon nutrients from Mommy.

old comment by Giveitaday

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; this all comes back to contraception.

You're a bloody fucking idiot.

Separate sex from procreation, make it a hobby or pass time, and try and eliminate the consequences (pregnancy).

Sex has rarely, if ever, used for procreation alone. Even in the most frigid and puritanical societies you still find sex used as a vehical for pleasure.

When contraception fails, no problem, get an abortion, destroy the consequences.

Good thing you are around to dictate everyone elses opinions to them. I highly doubt that there are very many people who have such a cavalier attitude towards abortion as you describe.

Didn’t get an abortion, the next logical step is infanticide, or dumpster babies, cause I didn’t realize how hard it was or how much I would have to give up by not getting an abortion.

No infanticide isn't "the next logical step" seeing as how there are a pleathora of options that do not include killing the child.

Moreover, No where in the news item you are responding to was it claimed, hinted, or infered that this woman killed he children because she "forgot" that she wanted an abortion. When cases like this show up, it is almost universally found that the mother was suffering from one or more untreated mental disorders.

Next, whats the difference between killing a newborn and a 1 year old, or 2 year old? 1 or two years.

I'm sorry, did I miss the part where infanticide of toddlers became a common occurance?

You are looking at a 7th and 10th trimester abortion in that car in her mind

First, Tri means 3, you don't have trimesters beyond the 3rd. Second, Are you claiming intimate knowledge of this womans thoughts and motives? If not then how can you make such a matter of fact statement as to her thoughts and/or state of mind? Oh yeah, Lying For Jesus, thats how.

If you have the right to contracept a life out of existence,

You can't "contracept a life out of existence" that never existed in the first place. If sex between two people does not result in pregnancy are they also responsible for causing a life to not exist? What about all the pregnancies that sponteniously abort in the first weeks of pregnancy? Is the woman responsible for that also?

then the line will be blurred from 1 month after conception, 5 months 25 months etc

So you are essentially saying that using contraception is the same thing as murdering a 2 year old.

It devalues all life at all ages because when contraception fails and pregnancy occurs, the user feels “robbed” of their “freedom”, and “entitled” to have what she wanted in the first place, sex without consequences, which is the mentality that contraception encourages.

Really now? Two of my four children were concieved as a result of fail contraception, and yet I have never once experienced those feelings, and I'll bet I'm not the only one.

old comment by clockworkgirl21

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; this all comes back to contraception.

Can't wait to hear this explained.

Separate sex from procreation, make it a hobby or pass time, and try and eliminate the consequences (pregnancy).

I see no problem yet.

When contraception fails, no problem, get an abortion, destroy the consequences.

If protection and used, and the woman decides an abortion is best before the pregnancy gets too far, again, I see no problem.

Didn’t get an abortion, the next logical step is infanticide, or dumpster babies, cause I didn’t realize how hard it was or how much I would have to give up by not getting an abortion.

You've gone to killing a few cells to killing a baby.

We're done here.

old comment by Princess Rot

Uhh... yeah, because exactly what a mentally unstable woman prepared to kill her kids needs is more pregnancies. You lot tried that with Andrea Yates and it didn't work out so well, did it?

Since when in the history of the world has banning contraception made people stop fucking? Banning contraception doesn't do anything apart from create more disease, more poverty, women dying, less resources to go round, and a whole passel 'o kids nobody really wants... which in turn leads to more crime because unwanted, disaffected poor youths are stuck in a nevernending spiral. Real "pro-life". Why have quality when you can have quantity and keep the poor down and desperate, eh?

old comment by Angel99

@Elia - Yeah pretty much.

I love how these kinds of arguments always seem to focus on how the women are bad and/or wrong. It's never "Men need to learn how to keep it in their pants and control their urges." It's always about how women want to avoid the consequences (read:punishment) of having sex.

He even says "because when contraception fails and pregnancy occurs, the user feels “robbed” of their “freedom”, and “entitled” to have what she wanted in the first place, sex without consequences, which is the mentality that contraception encourages."

Where's the father then? No mention of his loss of "freedom". Because doesn't HE have a responsibility to that child too? Doesn't HE feel some of those consequences?

Seriously, shit like that only reinforces my fear that if I were to find someone and get talked into having a child, he would only leave me afterwards because it would crimp his lifestyle.