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Richard Dawkins is a moron. God exists and religion has been proven to make life better. For instance, people who have some sort of religious belief live longer then those whom have none. We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth.

jamisings, Senor Gifs 70 Comments [8/28/2010 10:10:40 PM]
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http://www.ethicalatheism.com/?p=93
“In 2006, researchers at six major medical centers, including Harvard and the Mayo Clinic, completed the largest study to date. The research (”Study of the Therapeutic Effects of intercessory Prayer ‘STEP’ in cardiac bypass patients,” published in the American Heart Journal) was conducted over nearly a decade and led by Dr. Herbert Benson. It included almost 2,000 cardiac surgery patients who were randomly assigned to one of three groups. One group was prayed for after being told they may or may not be prayed for; the second group was not prayed for after being told the same thing; and the third was prayed for after being told they definitely would be prayed for.

The Results: the group that was prayed for did no better than the group that wasn’t prayed for. Prayer had no beneficial effect on recovery time, death rate, or other factors. (In fact, if anything, the results suggested that prayer may be harmful: The third group of patients actually fared slightly worse than the other two groups.)
See “Faith in Prayer Kills Children.” http://www.livescience.com/health/080410-bad-prayer-kills.html

~ John_in_Oz

8/29/2010 6:12:19 AM

HoJuSimpson

@Spam How about a better source, preferably one that's not from WebMD (lol) and over a decade old.

Because I feel a lot better knowing I can escape eternal torture by believing in a ridiculous fairy tale that shames even the most harmless human qualities.

8/29/2010 6:21:40 AM

Xotan

Er, who did you say was the moron?

Shiny, shiny mirror!

8/29/2010 6:25:15 AM

Nihlum

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one" - George Bernard Shaw

Oh [Citation needed] for the recycling.

8/29/2010 6:37:30 AM

Doctor Fishcake

We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth.

Wait.

Wait.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT!

Have you ever seen what the RR crowd have to say about recycling and conservation? It makes them go

8/29/2010 6:46:02 AM

John

For instance, people who have some sort of religious belief live longer then those whom have none.

All that proves, if anything, is that people who believe God exists live longer. It doesn't prove that God therefore receives some sort of telepathic message of that belief, which encourages Him to reach down with His magic hand and make them live longer.

8/29/2010 7:09:13 AM

D Laurier

"Richard Dawkins is a moron."
A "moron" who has published more books that you have read.

"God exists and religion has been proven to make life better"
Show me this "God" thingy Religion has thwarted progress at every opportunity.

"For instance, people who have some sort of religious belief live longer then those whom have none"
Citation needed

"We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth"
BULL!


8/29/2010 7:31:50 AM

Evilution Teacher

"We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth." Not in my experiences. Christians are more likely to not be concerned about the Earth because it is God's gift to man and they have the right to exploit it as much as they wish - besides they are going to be raptured up to their mansions in the sky soon so the condition of the Earth doesn't matter.

8/29/2010 7:49:02 AM

aaa

Is this the best you can do?

8/29/2010 7:53:59 AM

I read about the afterlife

"We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the Earth."

Bull-fucking-shit. Liberals are more likely to recycle and non-believers are more likely to be liberal.

8/29/2010 8:07:16 AM

ME

~ God exists and religion has been proven to make life better

... Through wars, rape, murder, genocide all for god and religion. Yes, I see how that makes life better.

~ We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth.

I LOLd at this one. Most religious nuts believe god is going to destroy and then replenish the Earth. So most of them are content on trashing it.

8/29/2010 9:34:09 AM

Papabear

"Richard Dawkins is a moron."

Uh, not so, but you may be. Strike one!

"God exists"

Strike two!

"and religion has been proven to make life better."

Beter than what, being impaled by burning sticks? Strike three!

"For instance, people who have some sort of religious belief live longer then those whom have none. We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth."

Prove that. I know of Christian Fundies who don't recycle and who pointedly do nothing to preserve the environment because they believe God gave them dominion over the earth and God will give them a new earth when they are done with this one.

8/29/2010 10:13:12 AM

AuraTwilight

Holy shit, stop the presses, it's a Christian that doesn't think recycling is a liberal conspiracy!

8/29/2010 10:18:10 AM



Wow. Fundie Fight on the last statement.

8/29/2010 10:27:00 AM

Canadia

[nitation ceeded]

8/29/2010 11:04:11 AM

Zeus Almighty

"For instance, people who have some sort of religious belief live longer then those whom have none."

Shouldn't you guys want to have shorter lives? That way you get to hebben and start blowing Jesus sooner.

8/29/2010 11:48:45 AM

Old Viking

... people who have some sort of religious belief live longer ...
Naw, it just seems longer.

8/29/2010 1:10:25 PM

Doubting Thomas

religion has been proven to make life better.

??? You mean like the Crusades, Dark Ages, Inquisitions, witch trials, sectarian violence in Northern Ireland, 9/11, priest sexual abuse, etc., not to mention generally disproving of activity most people enjoy, like sex, drinking alcohol, & dancing?

people who have some sort of religious belief live longer then those whom have none.

Because people like Christians who are more fervent in their beliefs are more likely to pursue life-extending medical treatment, and appear to be more afraid to die.

We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth.

Except those right-wing Christians who believe that recycling is a left-wing liberal idea and that since God is coming soon to take us all away, why should we care about the earth?

8/29/2010 1:35:17 PM

LadyJafaria

Yeah, except for the significant amount of you who are LESS likely to care for the environment because you're all getting raptured anyway.

8/29/2010 1:50:06 PM

Headache

We also are more likely to recycle..

Yeah because the religious right here in third world USA is so on the forefront fighting climate change...

Holy fuck what a retarded imbecile!

8/29/2010 2:23:05 PM

Angua

Richard Dawkins is a moron.
No. I'm sorry, but no, Richard Dawkins is not a moron. Having read and enjoyed most of his books on evolution I can say that Dawkins is definitely intelligent. I'd say he's one of the best science writers out there today. He was also a professor at Oxford -- maybe you're not aware of this, but it's a pretty bloody prestigious institution and I don't think a whole lot of morons end up teaching there. I could understand is you said you disagreed with Dawkins or that you thought that Dawkins was approaching something entirely the wrong way. (I sometimes disagree with Dawkins and his methods -- especially when it comes to handling religion.) Just because you disagree with someone or think that someone uses methods that are highly disagreeable doesn't mean that the person you disagree with is a moron. You can find someone utterly despicable without calling them a moron. For instance, I disagree with Dick Cheney. I find Dick Cheney despicable, but I don't think he's stupid.

(continued . . . )

8/29/2010 2:51:49 PM

Angua

God exists and religion has been proven to make life better. Maybe God does exist. However, I'm going to need some evidence before I believe that he does. I've yet to find adequate evidence, so i really would like you to give some as you seem pretty certain about the fact that God exists. As for the second part of the sentence, I don't see how religion making someone's life better necessarily has anything to do with the first part of your sentence. Religion could make life better without God actually existing. Buddhism is a religion. Not all Buddhists believe in God. If you want to just stick with theistic religion it still doesn't follow that if someone beliefs in something and that makes that person's life better, that said belief is actually true. Have you ever heard of the placebo effect, for instance? People who belief that they have been given a cure to their disease are more likely to get better than people who aren't given anything. However, this doesn't mean that the sugar pill actually is the cure to the disease. And all this is granting the claim that "religion has been proven to make life better." I'd agree that religion has made life better for some people. However, given things like the attacks on 9/11, the number of wars in which religion has played a contributing factor, the Catholic Church's condemnation of condoms even when faced with the spread of HIV/AIDS, etc. I'd say that religion has definitely made life worse for some people as well. I'm skeptical of the claim that religion overall is a good thing, let alone that this claim has been "proven."

(continued . . .)

8/29/2010 2:53:47 PM

Angua

For instance, people who have some sort of religious belief live longer then those whom have none.
Um, sort of. It has been demonstrated that people who attend church or some center of worship generally live longer than those who don't. But that doesn't mean, as I've said before, that any one of the particular teaching of the many taught in those various churches and other places of worship are necessarily true. For one thing, the teachings of different denominations, let alone different religions often contradict each other and are mutually exclusive. Also, many people may not regularly attend a house of worship but still would consider themselves religious and believe in God. I have yet to see a study suggesting that they live longer than those who aren't religious and don't go to church. It seems far more likely to me that people who go to church live longer because they are involved in the community that a church provides.

We also are more likely to recycle then non-believers because God told us to care for the earth.
I'm sorry, but I find this claim incredibly spurious. If anyone knows of a study showing this, please don't hesitate to let me know. As far as I can tell many European countries are a lot less religious than the United States and they seem to do a lot more recycling than the United States does. (I could be wrong. If I am, corrections are more than welcome.) And there are some Christians who interpret the verse in Genesis about God giving man dominion over the earth to mean that we need to be responsible and take care of our planet. However, others seem to think that it means we can do whatever we want with the planet because God gave us power to rule over it. And the people who believe in the End Times are approaching often seem to think that the planet's going to be utterly destroyed during Armageddon so who cares anyway? Drill, baby, drill!

8/29/2010 2:55:03 PM

Amadaun

That misuse of 'whom' is painful. It comes right after a 'then' for 'than,' which is more common but nearly as surefire a way to convince me you are an ignoramus.

Blah. Why do these people even bother saying actual stupid things, when they can say whatever they like and still show they're stupid?

8/29/2010 7:30:55 PM

nazani14

I checked out the "Web MD" reference posted by spam hammich, and the only one of the 40 groups of believers studied named was an Indian group in AZ. I'm sure I could get a religious bias for longevity if I selected Buddhist nuns, Austrian monks, and other disengaged populations for my survey.

8/29/2010 7:37:16 PM
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