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a moderate muslim is a muslim that thinks they will takeover the world but without violence.
English Defense League
[8/30/2010 3:09:59 PM]
Fundie Index: 31
A moderate christian is one who thinks they will take over the world by annoying the fuck out of people by preaching to everyone.
An extreme Christian is no better than an extreme Muslim, which is no better than a destructive cancer to society.
8/30/2010 3:25:27 PM
Thats' what fundies think too, only they are not so bothered about the violence.
8/30/2010 3:29:13 PM
This isn't fundie. It's true.
8/30/2010 3:29:44 PM
I hate to say it but he is actually correct. Moderate Muslims do believe that one day Shari'a Law will be the Law of the world.
His idiocy, however, is in thinking that it makes moderate Muslims different from the moderate practitioners of any other religion.
Such a goal is not all that different from what moderate Christians and Jews desire. Most Christians and Jews believe in a God and wish that all would live according to that God's will within their hearts. To a Muslim, that is what living according to Shari'a Law is. It's not a rigid code of laws but rather following the will of God in all things.
It should also be added that moderate Muslims have a far less rigid understanding of Shari'a Law than the fundamentalists.
8/30/2010 3:34:33 PM
8/30/2010 3:36:40 PM
C'mon guys, this discussion ends up in bad bad bad karma.
I will ignore that statement and others of that kind.
8/30/2010 3:38:31 PM
A BHOODAHMONK who posts on English Defense League is someone who should refrain from opening their mouth or typing in the future.
8/30/2010 3:50:26 PM
Replace Muslim with Christian and you have moderate fundies.
8/30/2010 3:59:51 PM
People believe a lot of nonsense. You're one of them.
8/30/2010 3:59:53 PM
Thinking you have a shot at taking over the world with your influence is almost a prerequisite for getting involved in any sort of movement. Admit it!
8/30/2010 4:25:55 PM
These nazi's repeat themselfs. They only change a few details and they don't even know it.
8/30/2010 4:29:22 PM
Muslims believe that Islam is the perfection of religion hence they believe that eventually Islam will become the "dominant" world religion because people will convert to it from their own free will after seeing that it is the truth, not becuase they will be converted through force or violence. That is something fundies like the ones in the EDL fail to grasp, namely the not forcing anyone to convert part. That is what makes this a fundie quote becuase that is what he is implying: that Muslims will force themselves on the world instead of what Muslims really believe.
8/30/2010 5:41:26 PM
Moderate Christians think the same damn thing.
Sane people want neither.
8/30/2010 6:16:56 PM
A moderate fundie is a fundie that says moderately stupid things like this.
8/30/2010 6:40:40 PM
Allegory for Jesus
Then so what? Either they're converting by peaceful means or they're simply wrong. Are you saying that peaceful conversions are something to be afraid of?
8/30/2010 7:09:30 PM
Okay, and so long as they don't use violence what's the problem? Can't take a little competition?
8/30/2010 8:22:46 PM
Um...No. A moderate Muslim is one who lives day to day carrying Muslim beliefs
8/30/2010 9:08:00 PM
Yes and no. Christians and Jews are still people of the book and are allowed their own path to God.
8/31/2010 2:21:16 AM
Almost all muslims I have met (growing up as muslim in a muslim & hindu [and partially christian] society) are mostly moderate in nature.
We listen to music, we (females) wear pants and !SHOCKHORROR! no hijab, we have 9 to 5 jobs, we watch T.V. and play videogames and sports.
As time goes by, there are a growing number of us who are even starting to drink alcohol and eat pork (bacon&blue cheese burger with a glass of red wine is awesome) although the food taboos are still quite strong.
Homosexuality is still a bugbear with majority of the community, but that is endemic in our country as a whole, across all religions. Keeping my fingers crossed (so to speak) for that one.
We don't want to be terrorised, we don't want to terrorise. We want a peaceful life, to earn enough to have nice things, to make the world a better place, to be comfortable, to be happy.
Those that have been roped into committing acts of terror have miserable lives (generally due to bad economy ie. as poor as a church-mouse). When financially poor people are exposed to what, in comparison, seems to be extreme (mostly western-world) financial extravagance they become miserable with what they see is their (much) lesser lot in life.
They become misanthropic. They need to find meaning in their lives. Their psychological states are fragile They are also now, in this state, ripe pickings for arseholes with political agendas. Death of the "enemy" has now become something to live for. Until they themselves die "for the cause".
8/31/2010 3:38:43 AM
One of the things in recent years that amused me to no end was when I got to know a gal from Saudi Arabia online.
She was fairly religious in her outlook. It cracked me up to no end, however, that her hobbies were playing PS3, eating pizza (halal, of course), watching Japanese and Korean soap operas, and going to the mall. Apart from the fact that she covered herself when she went out (something she defends full-heartedly tooth and nail despite my efforts to dissuade her), she struck me as a liberated, normal 20-something year old female. Nothing immoderate about her... and this is in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, one of the stricter countries.
I think it is normal for people to wish that the rest of the world would see things the way they do. If you believe something is right and a healthy way of seeing the world, it would be rather silly not to want others to see things that way too. I have met quite a few atheists who believe the world should be atheist. A proper understanding of the Eightfold Path being central to properly working out the Four Noble Truths, I'm sure a Buddhist wishes that others were Buddhists as well. And so on and so forth.
The important difference is that moderates are willing to adapt and, more importantly, are willing to tolerate and even embrace differences while they exist. Moderates do not accept the forcing of their beliefs on others under any circumstances.
I guess, when I think about it more and more, what pisses me off about the OP's comment is that he is blaming Muslims for being just like everyone else. It's amazing how "inhuman" we can make even our own qualities look when we point them out in others.
8/31/2010 5:21:20 AM
A moderate christian is a christian who thinks killing them all and letting god sort them out is freedom of religion.
8/31/2010 5:48:11 AM
A moderate EDL member is a football hooligan who hasn't actually got the bottle to get into any fights.
8/31/2010 5:53:24 AM
Yeah, 'cause Christians never ever want to persuade everyone else to join their religion. It must be someone else leaving all of those Chick tracts all over the place.
8/31/2010 6:11:30 AM
Funny how Christians tremble in fear at the idea of Muslims taking over the world, but yet they think it's perfectly OK to send missionaries all over the world in order to try to convert everyone.
8/31/2010 7:48:46 AM
Everyone wants, to some extent, to see their ideology prevail. Maybe on one issue, maybe in their state or country, maybe in the world. The majority won't use violent means, the majority won't even do more than think about how things would be better if more/all people believed in X (or didn't believe in X, for all you atheists out there). But they
think about that. Don't know why he's singling Muslims out.
8/31/2010 9:26:15 AM