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["If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?"

"Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names."]

False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.

Little.Alex, FARK 69 Comments [9/1/2010 6:52:50 PM]
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werewolf

Two words. Bull and shit.

9/1/2010 7:03:41 PM



That's got to be the fastest Godwin I've seen yet.

9/1/2010 7:03:49 PM



Aren't the hicks known for being uneducated? As well we, the liberal and left-leaning, like to tax you (AW HELL NAW, NO MOAR GUNZ FOAR THE YEER) so that the quality of life can be improved.

9/1/2010 7:06:27 PM

C_V


it's opposite day too often. :(

9/1/2010 7:19:23 PM

Yownanymous

I think that's the biggest ton of eugenicist BULLSHIT I have read literally all year.

9/1/2010 7:21:47 PM

Kamism

The Idiot probably looked it up on wiki and got lifetime column confused with the year they got the award.

And know what? Adolf actually deserved it.

Name a leader that rebuild his country from literally ruins in so short of a time?

Had Hitler died before he invaded Poland he would be remembered as a pretty damn good leader.


9/1/2010 7:25:59 PM

Canadia

If I were to rewrite history I'd include more shit about ghosts and explosions to make it more interesting.

This is so totally not the way I'd go.

9/1/2010 7:36:27 PM

G. Fieendish

Given that there were open street battles in most German towns, & Cities between Nazi & Communist Party supporters, pre 1933, one could hardly say that the Left loved Fascists...
The SPD (Social Democratic Party) published electoral posters depicting Hitler as a pompous windbag, whose speeches produced nothing but hot air, with no worthwhile political policies whatsoever, apart from blaming "International Jewery" for Germany's woes, during the 1933 election campaign...
As for Kamism's comment, I would be inclined to agree here, as the reclamation of the Sudetenland, and the union with Austria, would have enhanced Germany's prestiege, & if Goering had managed to acquire power,after Hitler's death, & moderate Hitler's racial policies as a result, the 1930's might have been regarded as a "Silver Age" for Germany, & Hitler as one of the architects of the above...

9/1/2010 7:46:39 PM

Mudak

It takes a lot of digging, and this guy says it absolutely incorrectly, but there is some truth to statements that at times the positions of the extreme left and the extreme right may have more in common than not.

Usually, the reasons for taking the position are diametrically opposed, but that doesn't mean that the net result wouldn't be the same. (And an "ends justify the means" argument doesn't hold up any more solidly than "means justify the ends".)

9/1/2010 7:48:27 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

Wow; that's amazing. You actually could not be more wrong.

9/1/2010 7:53:52 PM

Wehpudicabok

Little.Alex: "In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis."

Reality: Most Americans hated Nazis, whether they were on the Right or the Left. The only real exception was those who hated Jews as much as the Nazis did.

Little.Alex: "Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice."

Reality: Time Magazine picks its "Man of the Year" (now Person of the Year) based on who "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year." Hitler was indeed picked--once, not twice, in 1938--based on having had the most influence on world affairs at that time, not on being the most praiseworthy. (Time has moved away from controversial figures in light of this frequent misunderstanding; for instance, it picked Rudy Giuliani instead of Osama bin Laden in 2001.) The magazine's editors did not condone Hitler's actions. (And Time Magazine is hardly the center of American liberal thought.)

Little.Alex: "Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing."

Reality: The Nazis have always been considered right-wing, for a number of reasons, including:

* They believed that war was a valid means of strengthening a nation, rather than an evil to be avoided whenever possible
* They believed that the state had the right to deprive its citizens of civil liberties as necessary (the Holocaust being the most extreme example of this)
* They believed in racial and religious purity, rather than the values of coexistence, tolerance and multiculturalism that are prized by American liberals

(to be continued)

9/1/2010 7:53:57 PM

feralboy12

I suppose now the left is responsible for both the nazis and the communists. Holy fuck, not only is Itty Bitty Alex rewriting history, he's rewriting the dictionary.


9/1/2010 7:55:31 PM

anti-nonsense

Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the biggest history revisionist of them all?

9/1/2010 7:59:04 PM

refuter of fundy vermin

'Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.'

CITATION SERIOUSLY FUCKING NEEDED!! Grow a brain, little Alex.

9/1/2010 8:11:11 PM

Wehpudicabok

Little.Alex: "The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today."

Reality: The Nazis didn't want "constitutional limitations," true, because they wanted to seize absolute power, which is antithetical to democracy. American politicians on both sides of the political spectrum are sometimes guilty of sidestepping the Constitution when it suits their needs (and pointing fingers when their opponents do the same), but none has even come close to the dictatorship the Nazis desired.

The Nazis certainly did not want to "redistribute income" (a stale term for marginal differences in right-left American economic politics). A core position of their party was anti-Communism, since they needed to demonize everyone who was a threat to their nation, and that prominently included Russian communists. Overall they were actually fairly economically centrist; politicalcompass.org places them just right of center on the economic scale (and extremely authoritarian, or right-wing, on the social scale).

The Nazis did favor the preferred race. Democrats do not. What they do support is equality, and some believe that affirmative action is necessary to achieve equality in the long term (I personally do not); this is intended only as a temporary measure to aid those suffering under the shadow of racism and the Jim Crow laws, whose effects can still be felt in racial income gaps nationwide. It is not creating a "preferred race."

9/1/2010 8:11:14 PM

Wehpudicabok

(One last comment, and I swear I'm done ranting at this guy.)

Let's play a game. I'll give you a quote, and you tell me who said it.

"[The government] will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

a) Ronald Reagan
b) George W. Bush
c) Sarah Palin
d) Adolf Hitler

(answer: d)

9/1/2010 8:24:36 PM

pete

Three generations of historians, victims of fascism, and surviving Nazis themselves spent 65 years calling fascists, and Nazis in particular, the most extreme example of right-wing ideology in the history of Man. Then, as soon as a slightly left of center black man wins the Democratic Presidential nomination, we have a legion of idiotic hicks insisting that Nazis were "leftists" and, through a process of guilt by fabricated association, said black Presidential candidate must be a Nazi. It's just another scary word (like socialist, Maoist, communist, Muslim, radical black Christian, etc.) that they can apply to the scary black man; with no conception of what the word actually means.

Funny how that worked, no? Especially since it's the American right-wing who constantly blabber about "eradicating", "removing", and "eliminating" their political opposites. Because, if there is anything the Nazis have always been noted for, it's exclusionary rhetoric and, most heinously, courses of action.


9/1/2010 8:33:26 PM

DaMentalFunism

Oh.. where to begin?

Screw it: HISTORY FAIL.

9/1/2010 8:38:35 PM

WhiteNoise

I'd like to remind you that the Times Magazine gives the Man of the Year award to the most influential person, not the best person of the year.

The magazine actually almost gave Osama the Man of the Year award, but backed down at the last moment due to political pressures.

9/1/2010 8:50:25 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Except Hitler excised essentially every socialist aspect of the National Socialist party as soon as he could, leaving a party that was essentially strictly Nationalist.

Pray tell, what Constitutional limitations are American Democrats trying to eliminate, and what special privileges are they extending to the preferred race? Furthermore, what IS the preferred race?

9/1/2010 9:50:37 PM

WMDKitty

Uhhh... no. That would be the Rethuglican party. All about being "superior", hating the poor, and redistributing income to the wealthy.

9/1/2010 10:43:29 PM

freako104

"The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations,"


Kind of sounds like Bush did



"and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race:"


Most racist groups tend to be conservative


"redistributing income, "

That is liberal. But the other 2 sound more conservative than liberal.

9/1/2010 10:46:02 PM

Reckoner

Somebody has been reading way too much Jonah Goldberg.

9/1/2010 11:53:44 PM

Pule Thamex

Then why is Nazism so admired by many right-wing extremists? Why are so many rabid right-wing spittle-fleckers, holocaust deniers? Why do right-wingers love the image of a jack boot stomping on intellectuals (because intellect is irksome to authoritarians) or peasants (because they have no value other than as labourers or canon fodder)?

I think all true commie/facist/Liberal/Nazi/feminist/leftist's would like to know.

9/2/2010 12:01:54 AM

aaa

Let me guess. Your education is completely abhorrent and you got your history lessons by a person from an alternative dimension.

9/2/2010 12:02:11 AM
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