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[in response to a quote that ended "Fight fire with fire. Destroying fundementalism will take fundementalism of a more extreme nature. Kill the unborn of the religious right and live in a happier healthier tomorrow."]

The thing is is that he is right. Religion is about removing rationality. If you are not going to entertain rational discourse then you will never be able to see the error in your ways which means you will never change. As long as religious people remain unchallenged in their views and are allowed to raise children we will have people operating in an irrational mindset. Personally I value rationality, and as such would like to see the removal of religion. Since they aren't going to change their minds to become rational, the only other option is removal. While I don't think that war in the conventional sense is the correct answer, I think that there are means by which to cajole a response. In an anarchistic structure it would be pretty easy to simply deny them resources. I mean, if god is going to provide for them then they have nothing to worry about, right? The promotion of this feel good "live and let live" mentality just seems to be ignoring the elephant in the livingroom.

[Note from DarkPERL from the comments:
Hey, I made that post in anger and did not convey my ideas well. Rereading it I recognize that I came off as a real douche. I had a thought, but did not communicate it well. I have done a disservice to the cause. Basically, the fundamental principle is that there are people that are never going to change. If you want them to change you have to do something more than rational argument. However, you can also just let them be. But to assume that they are going treat you with respect is often expecting too much. I don't know what else to say.]

DarkPERL, FSTDT 79 Comments [9/1/2010 9:47:25 AM]
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Anyone else see this as an obvious christian posing as an atheist? I have NEVER heard an actual atheist posit that we should kill theists.

9/1/2010 9:50:05 AM

Agnostic Antagonist

So you get to decide who lives and who starves to death. Got it.

9/1/2010 9:54:11 AM


and then you are no better then they are.

9/1/2010 9:59:20 AM


I'm calling poe. It seems like she wants people to think of atheists as hating all those who carry some spiritual belief.

9/1/2010 10:13:10 AM


Part of me wants to say that this is a poe, but sadly this way of thinking does exist.

9/1/2010 10:14:34 AM

Seeker in the Dark

But threatening to kill atheists is unacceptable, right? Explain again how you are so much better than fundies?

@ohreally: I thought the same thing, but I'm not sure whether to call Poe or not. I know one atheist who would agree wholeheartedly with DarkPERL, but all the others (and that's a lot of people) would definitely object to mass killing! But I guess that, according to this guy, we can blame their "feel good live and let live mentality", right?

9/1/2010 10:20:27 AM

Doubting Thomas

So if you're going to ban religion, what's to prevent the religious from banning atheism? Why should we decry attempts to subvert the First Amendment if we're going to do it ourselves? That makes us no better than religious fundies.

I personally would also like to see the removal of religion, but voluntarily and through education, not by force.

9/1/2010 10:21:06 AM

Mister Spak

Hal Turner from the previous submission should meet this guy.

9/1/2010 10:26:47 AM


And yet the large swathes of Europe which stayed religious for centuries under your style of pogrom, have peacefully became atheist without it.
Tell us more about this elephant you think you see.

9/1/2010 10:29:55 AM


Wow. I am with dawkins that we should not allow parents to indoctrinate their children...but killing theists? WTF? Are you on drugs? You realize this is the type of shit we use as ammo against theism right?

I do not believe parents should be allowed to indoctrinate their children because that is fucked up but killing is never the answer.

9/1/2010 10:35:01 AM


If you're not a poe, you're an idiot. Fighting fire with fire only leads to a bigger fire.

Whilst it would be nice to end the problems religious fundamentalism causes, mass genocide is not and never will be the answer.

9/1/2010 10:42:02 AM


Not only is this horribly immoral but this is incredibly stupid. Theist by FAR outnumber atheists so if anyone is going to get "weeded out" it's the minorities, and we are a minority. Furthermore, why the hell would you propose an anarchistic system? What, you like the idea of people dying by the age of 30 from horrible diseases, starvation, and sanitation issues which come with a lack of infrastructure? And even if this would somehow have a chance of working, it's still horribly immoral.

9/1/2010 10:52:01 AM

If we remove all religion, people will find something else to fight over. We're a bored, self-centered, sedentary society.

9/1/2010 10:52:59 AM


He's consistent and had been here a while when this was posted. Not a likely poe, just a fucktard. Being an atheist doesn't automatically make you moral or rational, and I'm a bit surprised at the 'no true Scotsman' going on here.

9/1/2010 10:55:18 AM


> In an anarchistic structure it would be pretty easy to simply deny them resources.

Anarchistic structure? From that I assume you don't actually mean a state of anarchy, as opposed to a social situation where one or more theories of anarchism become commonplace practice. Under most implementations of political anarchism, no-one in a community would be denied basic resources unless they actively denied basic resources to others. Everyone would still be free to teach their children whatever they damn well liked, as long as it didn't result in active harm to anyone else. A person who simply says "My god tells me that you shouldn't do that" is very different from a person who holds a gun to your head and says "My god tells me to kill you because you shouldn't do that". In that, both political and religious extremism share similar faults.

9/1/2010 10:57:22 AM


Anarchistic structure?

Obvious poe is obvious. Seriously.

9/1/2010 11:10:40 AM

Old Viking

Grow up.

9/1/2010 11:16:38 AM


I can only hope you meant that the same way Jonathan Swift meant his "Modest Proposal".

"As long as religious people remain unchallenged in their views and are allowed to raise children we will have people operating in an irrational mindset."

Yes, and they are free to do so. The pursuit of happiness is not always rational. Free climbing? Hang gliding? One has to be free to be nuts, as long as it makes you happy. Religion must die of natural causes if it is to die a rational and meaningful death. One cannot dictate by force what one cannot effect by reason. Were you not ignorant, a fraud, or both, you would know that.

One of the prices we pay for liberty is cleaning up some elephant shit. We don't ignore the elephant, we just don't want to get blood on the curtains.

9/1/2010 11:27:16 AM

Boy Wonder

I see the other side of the coin is just as ugly.

9/1/2010 11:29:30 AM


Killing is wrong. We certainly would never tolerate it if it was theists advocating for the death penalty to atheists (or gays, adulterers, etc.).
I think the solution to the fundies brainwashing their children is to implement mandatory educational standards (which would include subject matter they currently ignore like science) that even they would have to meet should they choose to homeschool, with regular testing to ensure compliance.

9/1/2010 11:40:14 AM


My mum is a christian. You fucking try it moron and I'll kick your ass.

FFS, I get the whole opposing the excesses of religion, but lets not forget that we, humans, are not entirley reational beings, no matter what you would like to believe. Ever fallen in love and not had the feelings returned? Then you realise that we are also deeply spiritual beings, and that spiritual harm and hurt can be just as painful as any physical harm. Religion fulfills that very real spiritual need, and does it in the only way that many of us (especially the stupider ones)are able to understand, accept and participate in.

Really, why did you think religion was so prevelant, even amoung people who really should 'rationally' know better? And you're going to take that away from people? Pray tell, fuckwit, what were you going to replace that emotional and spiritual support with? Some more of your magic 'rationality'?

9/1/2010 12:12:22 PM


So you're saying that atheists are immune to being irrational?

9/1/2010 12:17:53 PM

bob the angry spaceman

i dont seewhats wrong with this really you need to get tough on religious brainwashing or we will still be here with the same problems for thousands of years

9/1/2010 12:19:40 PM


It's funny how you value rationality and decide to irrationally kill all religious people.

9/1/2010 12:27:02 PM


I guess I am among the more militant atheists on here...maybe I should be JohnTheAnti-Theist...because while I don't agree with this persons methods (in fact I don't even pretend to understand what he means by "anarchistic structure") it is my opinion that the problems posed here are serious.

For mankind to progress the influence of religion and, more accurately put, superstitious beliefs has to be minimized. These people are holding us back as a civilization and they can't be reasoned with, they can't be bargained with, they don't feel pity or remorse, and they will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

OK, that was a quote from the first Terminator. I admit it.

9/1/2010 1:02:46 PM

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