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This whole over turning of Prop 8 thing...

Does this make it official that it's no longer a democracy or was that an obvious a long time ago?

It's all very, very sad. And the knowledge that such sin, as with any sin, will cause them to burn in hell for all eternity only makes it sadder.

The parade is heart wrenching, like mindless livestock headed to the slaughter. You just want to call them back! But they don't listen, they think because the way feels united and strong, it must be good. They're so pleased, as if they affect or change truth, as if they won't really burn in hell because the way is favorable now. They could, and might win every political battle, but they still lose.

Ugh, pro-gay think what makes us sick is some fear. That's not it, nobody's scared of a fool in bondage. What's sickening more than the sin, is the lost soul, that we, through whoever we may be connected to, have failed in some way to convey how wonderful God is. So much so that they choose rather tortuous spirits.

MellowYellow, Godplace 58 Comments [9/4/2010 9:46:32 AM]
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Gays could care less about your brainwashed beliefs that they're going to burn in hell. They just want the right to live their lives the same way that you take for granted.

9/4/2010 9:49:27 AM


You don't get to vote against civil rights.
That is all.

9/4/2010 9:57:33 AM


"Does this make it official that it's no longer a democracy or was that an obvious a long time ago?"

I dunno, you tell me. But riddle me this:

Ronnie Raygun initially nominated Vaughn Walker to the Californian bench in 1987 (but successfully opposed by 24 Democrat* senators, led by Nancy Pelosi). But was then personally appointed to that same bench by George HW Bush two years later.

Both Repubican presidents voted in by you & your ilk, MellowYellow.

Same Judge Vaughn Walker overturned Prop. 8 recently.

By your own lack of foresight, the ones who ultimately destroyed your own anti-homosexual agenda were you and your right-wing Fundamentalist Christian ilk, MellowYellow.

You helped advance gay rights and equality in the US in ways that not even LGBT people could imagine. Yes, you.

I love the smell of Hubris in the morning. Smells like... victory.

*- Oh the irony, it hurts uss preciousss!

9/4/2010 10:21:14 AM


How can I know about Tyranny of the Majority and how anything, no matter how popular it is, can be overturned if it is deemed unconstitutional without living in the US and yet you, presumably an American, don't understand it.

9/4/2010 10:24:10 AM

Dr. Razark

"Does this make it official that it's no longer a democracy or was that an obvious a long time ago?"

It was obvious a long time ago, when the country was founded as a constitutional republic.

Look up "tyranny of the majority".

9/4/2010 10:36:46 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Does this make it official that it's no longer a democracy or was that an obvious a long time ago?

No. It is still a democracy. Giving homosexuals the right to marry does not threaten heterosexuals' right to marry in any way.

9/4/2010 10:38:49 AM


Does this make it official that it's no longer a democracy or was that an obvious a long time ago?

Democracy doesn't mean the majority can vote to do anything it wants. If that were the case, we could all just get together and vote to kill you or take your house away from you because we didn't like your face.

Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional. People are appealing that decision, but they've been asked to explain why they think they have "standing". In lawsuits, you must have "standing" to challenge a law or decision; meaning you must actually be affected by the decision in some way. You can't just be some bystander. So far, the ones who are challenging it haven't been able to show the judge how they think the decision has harmed them.

9/4/2010 10:47:34 AM


Democracy, despite being a buzzword, isn't actually a synonym for 'good,' unless you believe 'human' is as well. That's why we have laws that protect everyone, not just the people +50% think are worth protecting. That's why lynch mobs are still illegal even if most of the town is in them.

Same. Fucking. Principle.

And personally, I can be pretty scared of a fool in bondage. Scarier than a smart slave, honestly, because they're unlikely to rebel, and therefore their master can use them to do whatever he likes with the force of many men, rather than himself alone.

But...that doesn't apply very well to the LGBT community. Fits a lot better on you.

Ditto the 'must be good because it feels united and strong' thing. I mean, sure gays feel more secure in their sexuality if they have access to supportive communities, but that's not why they're gay. Most churchgoers, on the other hand, are in it primarily for the club membership vibe.

And I don't think anyone believes that their damnation status is changed by the secular legality or illegality of a particular ceremony. Only you think this is rightfully a theocracy.

9/4/2010 10:48:22 AM


Its exactly as sad as the Dementors you will face from not supporting Harry Potter.
This stupid decision means that I'm not able to deny legal recognition to your marriage, and other civil rights. But I only want to do it for your sake!

9/4/2010 10:54:11 AM


The USA has never ever ever been a pure democracy. It uses democratic elements but it is not a straight-up democracy and with good reason.

Also there's an indefinite hold on the decision to overturn prop 8. I won't have my civil rights out here in Caliland until December at the earliest.

Also also, your god is a jerk and I'm quite happy having nothing to do with him. The idea that Jesus loves me is as repulsive as the idea that any other man I don't know might be oggling me. It's just plain icky.

Edited for typos again. The flowermonster is having trouble with those today.

9/4/2010 10:59:26 AM


A large part of Democracy is not letting the majority crush the minority. All are equal in the eyes of the law. Civil Rights are just that RIGHTS,not just for you, you judgmental creeps!

9/4/2010 11:22:29 AM


Does this make it official that it's no longer a democracy or was that an obvious a long time ago?

Democracy=/=mob rule. To illustrate the difference, in a mob rule the majority can vote to make a minority (let's say Chinese people for example) lose their right to vote, put them into slavery, take away their property and their family, and violate their human rights in other ways just because the majority feels like it. This is called the Tyranny of the Majority. A democracy seeks to avoid that. So in our example, say there's a vote passed to take away Chinese people's right to vote and wins by an overwhelming 90%. Even then, it will not stand as one of democracy's functions is to protect the rights of the minority from the whims of the majority. There's a reason we have a constitution an that's to protect minorities from bigots like you.

9/4/2010 11:49:13 AM

Giardano Bruno

The USA has never been a democracy. It has always been a constitutional republic, for good reasons.

9/4/2010 12:40:12 PM


Only in the same way that Brown v. Board of Education would have meant we were no longer a democracy,

Sorry, the courts were set up to overturn laws that aren't Constitutional. The majority doesn't get to legislate on the civil rights of a minority,

9/4/2010 12:45:22 PM

Old Viking

Aw, didums, ooh worried about their souls? That's pwecious.

9/4/2010 12:55:01 PM

Thinking Allowed

Voting to take away someone's rights does not make it Ok. It does go against the U.S. Constitution, thus making Proposition 8 illegal.

9/4/2010 1:10:49 PM


That's right. God is wonderful and he'll burn you in hell to prove it.

9/4/2010 1:11:32 PM


Why isn't Christianity a democracy, MellowYellow? Ah, maybe that's why you hate the USA, and everything it stands for: Freedom.

Because if your 'God' was held up to the same standards of decent, civilised society (born of the very thing that makes your country what it is: government of the people, by the people, and for the people ('E Pluribus Unum', 'From Many, One', and all that jazz): Democracy,, then your 'God' would've been deposed centuries ago, and replaced by something superior: a human leader with human (and therefor superior) morals.

Everything you right-wing fundies say, act, and think is precisely why there'll never be a theocracy in the USA.

Not as long as the breath of Freedom is still in the lungs of decent people.

9/4/2010 1:13:00 PM

Pule Thamex

Oh my goodness no, MellowYellow! Whatever gave you the idea that you and your fundamentalist brothers and sisters have not conveyed to us how wonderful God is? But in any case, any lost souls can turn to that ultimate source of holy inspiration, the Bible.

Within its pages the lost souls can read all about God's wonderful adventures among the desert dwellers of the middle east. They can read how expert He is at genocide and how clever He is at inventing means of preventing sin. For instance, just read how clever God is at preventing the child from being cheeky. By utilizing the available populace and several handfuls of the local rocks, He encourages the process of stoning the cheeky child, by which method an important lesson is learned. How could homosexuals fail to be impressed by Christian stories like that?

Fair play though, the fundamentalist outlook is enough to have homosexuals the world over rushing to them to hear their amazing tales of how easy it is to give generously to ones religious authorities. Gosh! It's unbelievable really, I dread to think how you can possibly cope with such overwhelming ardour from lost souls so ultra-keen to learn more of your beguiling aand fascinating Christian ways. Oh please do tell us more, I implore you.

9/4/2010 1:53:46 PM


Man, you are the whiniest person i've seen here for a while.

9/4/2010 1:59:20 PM


So treating people equally makes us not a democracy? Do you even realize how fucking stupid that statement sounds??

9/4/2010 2:04:24 PM

the old firm

Yeah, tell teenagers how God hates them for something they have no way to influence. Tell them, that they will burn in hell for all eternity.
And when you watch them despair, depart the church and perhaps even decide to suicide, then tell me one more thing: Do you really think you are doing God's work?

And when was the last time, you attempted to ban mixed fabrics? Or are you just nitpicking your Holy Book? HE doesn't like that, or so I was told while I went to a religious school.

So drop the sanctimonious act and say that you hate and fear gay people. That at least would be honest.

9/4/2010 3:11:32 PM


Lay off the crack, plz.

Oooh, and speaking of sin, you're a bit heavy on the "stupidity" there.

9/4/2010 4:25:30 PM


"Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote. Those rights are spelled out in the Bill of Rights and in our California Constitution. Voters and politicians alike would do well to take a look at the rights we each hold, which must never be chipped away by the whim of the majority."

I think this sums things up nicely.

And really, when these people talk about their right to vote being violated they always seem to forget the 48% of people who voted against Prop 8 and didn't get their way. Or does their right to vote not count?

9/4/2010 5:22:09 PM

The Lazy One

If your god is so wonderful, can he answer me these questions? Why did he allow me to be born with NVLD and paranoid personality disorder? Why did he allow my friend to get a painful nervous system disorder? Why did he allow my other friend to get catatonic schizophrenia? Why does he stand by and do nothing when atrocities like Darfur happen? Why has he allowed things like the 2004 Tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, and the Haiti earthquake to happen? That doesn't sound like a wonderful god to me.

9/4/2010 5:23:31 PM

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