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As an American Indian I am so blessed that God took this country and set it up to promote freedom of religion. Otherwise our people would still be doing rain dances etc to try to apease the Gods. There was a lot of suffering and disgrace the way the people were treated, but there was a lot of false beliefs too. We had many men of God that wrote the constitution and bill of rights etc that were purposed to a righteoous cause.

Alyssa Miller, NOM facebook page 100 Comments [9/4/2010 9:47:09 AM]
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whatever

"As an American Indian I am so blessed that God took this country and set it up to promote freedom of religion. Otherwise our people would still be doing rain dances etc to try to apease the Gods."

I see... so the only thing stopping American Indians from becoming Christians was the lack of a Constitution promoting freedom of religion. Interesting.

9/4/2010 9:53:04 AM

COVIZAPIBETEFOKY

"there was a lot of false beliefs too"

soooo.... no change? What were you saying?

9/4/2010 9:58:59 AM

Mephistopheles

Wait...are you being an apologetic for the genocide committed on your own people? Ah religion, what won't you twist?

9/4/2010 10:03:03 AM

anti-nonsense

Stockholm Syndrome much?

9/4/2010 10:11:14 AM

Mudak

Now if you had any sense, you should be using your own ancestry as a reason to oppose the construction of any Christian churches on or near what was once your people's land. Use the same rhetoric used in opposition to the Islamic center a few blocks away from Ground Zero.

9/4/2010 10:12:33 AM

freako104

It is because of religious freedom that people could do their rain dances to their gods.

9/4/2010 10:20:11 AM

Serph-no-Okami

Your ancestors are crying bitter tears because of your words. As for myself, I'm close to crying blood at seeing you so deluded as to thinking the genocide committed against native Americans is a good thing since it forced Christianity on your people.

9/4/2010 10:21:41 AM

John_in_Oz

As a human being I am so blessed that more and more people are becoming atheists.
What? You started it.

9/4/2010 10:31:35 AM

TB Tabby

The face to the palm.

9/4/2010 10:38:43 AM

Lotus-thing

This hurts on at least three levels. It makes me sadfaced.

9/4/2010 10:44:09 AM

Freethink

@Alyssa Miller:
( If you happen to see this)

Sorry to burst your bubble. I have found most Native Americans absolutely disgusted with Christianity and what it has perpetrated on their people. It just proves how indoctrination in religion destroys the ability to reason and use logical thought.

You, my friend have been PWND by the missionaries. I am sorry for your loss. The Indians have a much more sensible and aware religion than these ignoramuses in pious clothing ever will.

I'm white, by the way, and what the so called loving Christians did to the Native Americans is one of my biggest gripes and anger producing complaints against all Christian "Missions". I could write an essay on this. Don't get me started!!



Could this be one of the reasons he's crying?


9/4/2010 10:51:03 AM

Amadaun

Ugh. Like a kick in the gut.

NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.

Rain dances are better than hymns because you get exercise. Churches should do more Blessing Dances.

9/4/2010 10:52:53 AM



@freako104
Actually the native Americans had an atheistic religion going for them, believing in spirits and not gods. So no dancing to any gods from them.

9/4/2010 10:58:43 AM

Amanda

As a Canadian Indian, I find this very depressing. My grandfather was stolen from his family and forced to attend a school where he was beaten if he refused to be a Christian or if he dared to speak his own people's language. The idea that Indigenous people would thank these people for doing what they did just blows my mind.

9/4/2010 11:06:24 AM

DevilsChaplain

wat

9/4/2010 11:09:56 AM

HoJuSimpson

Ah, this is personally painful to read...

On the side, @Freethink That guy is actually Italian lol, Iron Eyes Cody.

9/4/2010 11:23:19 AM

I read about the afterlife

LIAR FOR JESUS!

No self respecting native American would call themselves an "American Indian" because that would suggest you come from India.

9/4/2010 11:27:15 AM

Swede

I call bullshit on you being an Native American. I would guess that very few of the Natives call themselves American Indians.

9/4/2010 11:30:12 AM

moose

"I am so blessed that gawd took this country...."

Gawd took this country? I thought he made it and everything else. Oh well. I guess you mean the xian missionaries.

"....our people would still be doing rain dances etc to try to appease the gawds"

And instead of rain dances to appease the gawds, now it is prayer to attempt to persuade a 3 in 1 gawd. Which is funny, because....can humans change gawd's mind? Then what kind of gawd is it/he? A dance with song, or a prayer on your knees. Sort of the same really....

"...lot of suffering and disgrace the way people were treated, but there was a lot of false beliefs too."

You mean like the beliefs now? I would propose that the bringers of suffering and disgrace were NOT the bringers of any true belief. Sort of reminds me of the medieval inquistions. Xians are still using the same MO. Kill and torture people into submission, call it salvation.

9/4/2010 11:34:17 AM

Freethink

@HoJu:

His persona has become iconic as the "Crying Indian". Whatever his origins, it's the concept that's important. Also he was given honor by the real Native American tribes for his portrayals.

9/4/2010 12:01:13 PM

jsonitsac

Whatever you say Uncle Tomahawk.

9/4/2010 12:03:21 PM

werewolf

Are you from Mumbai, Alyssa? I thought the PC term was Indian-American.

9/4/2010 12:28:17 PM

Old Viking

I used to be purposed to a righteous cause. Then I found out purposing is illegal in this state.

9/4/2010 12:41:17 PM

Angua

As an American who is about as white as a bleached polar bear eating marshmallows dipped in whipped cream in the middle of a blizzard, I have to say that I'm rather glad that the United States of America has freedom of religion.

However, in no way does that excuse genocide. You know genocide and freedom of religion are NOT mutually exclusive. You see, we could have decided that freedom of religion was a good idea, and then not slaughtered most of this continent's indigenous peoples.

Whether or not your American Indian ancestors had false beliefs is not really all that relevant. The Founding Fathers also had false beliefs. The people brought over in slave ships had false beliefs. Most people who came to America from Europe had false beliefs,

Freedom of religion means that people are openly going to believe a lot of different things. And by definition, not all of them are going to be true, a lot of them are going to be false beliefs.

I don't understand what freedom of religion has to do with genocide as a way of ridding people of false beliefs. I would have thought that you could have freedom of religion, listen to other peoples' beliefs, and decide whichever was most likely to be true yourself. Genocide seems absolutely counterproductive.

Look, I'm willing to say that there is a lot of stuff in American history that Americans can be proud of, but there's also a lot that's absolutely ghastly. We can understand what we've done right and be proud of it while still recognizing what our country has done wrong in the past. You shouldn't use what our country has done right to justify what our country has done wrong.

9/4/2010 12:42:36 PM

SZD

Yeah, we´ll just overlook the Trail of Tears x-ians mad your people walk.

9/4/2010 12:43:04 PM
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