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As an American Indian I am so blessed that God took this country and set it up to promote freedom of religion. Otherwise our people would still be doing rain dances etc to try to apease the Gods. There was a lot of suffering and disgrace the way the people were treated, but there was a lot of false beliefs too. We had many men of God that wrote the constitution and bill of rights etc that were purposed to a righteoous cause.

Alyssa Miller, NOM facebook page 100 Comments [9/4/2010 9:47:09 AM]
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#1202601

TheJebusFire

Otherwise our people would still be doing rain dances etc to try to apease the Gods.

And now you go to church and sing washed up over-used songs to apease god. What changed?

9/4/2010 12:46:50 PM

#1202610

Musicalbookworm

Let me guess, you are a Windian* from Oklahoma and attend a fundamentalist whack job Baptist church. Yes, destroying a culture, often be forcibly removing children and by beating and imprisoning those who tried to defend their way of life was so totally worth it in the end.</sarcasm> I am not about to say that the various tribal cultures were some utopia, but neither is some Christian theocracy. If we really respected freedom of religion of the native peoples, there would be large pockets still practicing native religions, instead we have Indian Baptist Churches. <sigh> This just makes me sad, and I've seen it all my life. I'm so white I practically glow in the dark, but at least I know the history--and not some romanticized version of it. I grew up near and institution that started out as one of the Indian "schools" and now live in Oklahoma.

*Windian--usually used to refer to people from OK or KS with just enough Indian ancestry to get a CDIB card, but who anyone else would just call white.

9/4/2010 1:03:24 PM

#1202619

Fompili

Translation:

"Hey y'all, the genocide was OK, sorta kinda, in retrospect, 'coz I'm a Christian now! And only a few million of my ancestors had to be slaughtered and oppressed by the Whites for this to happen! Totally worth it! Hurray for me and my new, totally not false belief!!

9/4/2010 1:13:02 PM

#1202627

shykid

As an American Indian,

@Musicalbookworm: Hah, here we call those "CDIBians" (pronounced "see-dib-eeans").

9/4/2010 1:29:02 PM

#1202632

vaguelyhumanoid

How does it feel knowing that you've discarded your own heritage as primitive in exchange for cliche missionary Christianity?

9/4/2010 1:43:51 PM

#1202636

Papabear

Uh, yeah, about that...

There WAS a lot of false belief, but there still IS a lot of false belief, but remember, Christianity is one of the false beliefs.

Yes, there were some "men of God" involved in the writing of the constitution and bill of rights, but there were many deists, agnostics and atheists involve as well. Jefferson, the main author of the constitution, was hardly what you would recognize as a Christian and neither was Madison, the author of the bill of rights.

9/4/2010 1:58:20 PM

#1202638

@freako104
Actually the native Americans had an atheistic religion going for them, believing in spirits and not gods. So no dancing to any gods from them.

9/4/2010 1:59:53 PM

#1202639

aaa

Wait, what? I don't think you know the exact process of setting up a constitution. Divine intervention is not a part of it and the freedom of religion thing was to make sure the government didn't fuck any religion and vice versa.

9/4/2010 1:59:53 PM

#1202640

TGRwulf

The stupid is strong with this one...

9/4/2010 2:03:17 PM

#1202649

Zeus Almighty

The one-sixteenth Cherokee I'm me says fuck. Fuck you with a splintery pole. Doused in napalm.

9/4/2010 2:37:57 PM

#1202651

NyogaAnimos

I am a descendant of the Cherokee people. (About 1/8 Cherokee).Thanks to idiots like this, I do not know my Cherokee brothers and sisters. My great-grandmother was brainwashed into leaving her family to be with a missionary, by the missionary, so contact with them was lost.

I am angered that someone would try to pose as any Native American and thank the genocide of their own people.

On a side note, I see that it's NOM. Most of them are blithering idiots anyway.

9/4/2010 2:42:09 PM

#1202652

The Lazy One

I'm not Native American (I'm of Lithuanian descent), but reading your words makes me cringe. Why are you defending the attempted genocide of your people? Why!?

9/4/2010 2:42:44 PM

#1202653

breakerslion

Miller: English for "Miller", or anglicized German, "Mueller" (or with umlaut). Show me your family tree or I don't believe you have the chops to call yourself what you want to believe you are.

If a person is delusional about one thing, why not another? You can't be too careful around pathological liars.

9/4/2010 2:45:25 PM

#1202660

Kayube

So what, in colonial times everyone was forced to practice Native American religions?

9/4/2010 3:01:10 PM

#1202663

Philbert McAdamia

The sliver of Lakota in me says, "Hmm, too many tomahawk taps on cranium, maybe."

9/4/2010 3:17:46 PM

#1202675

WMDKitty

*facepalm*

Yep, we came here, slaughtered your people in as many ways as we could, imposed our way of life on you, and you're THANKING us? Stockholm....

9/4/2010 4:13:45 PM

#1202679

WTF, mate? Non sequitur much?

9/4/2010 4:24:27 PM

#1202686

Elia

Christ, my ancestors were not even natives of this land, and I'm cringing. I grew up knowing the bad that had come with European settlers - fer fuck's sake, my mom always felt sorrier for the Indians than any of the white cowboys in those Westerns she used to watch when she was a kid. She and Dad never, ever made light of the genocide, the dehumanization, and the marginalization. And you're THANKING those . . . butchers? The ones who kidnapped children and beat them for speaking their native tongues, for their names, for being WHO THEY WERE? I . . . just no.

I have to go calm down.

9/4/2010 4:42:11 PM

#1202693

Percy Q. Shunn

I'm glad I get to worship as I choose, as well.

I worship this ass...

9/4/2010 5:15:04 PM

#1202694

Percy Q. Shunn

They took the whole Cherokee nation
Put us on this reservation
Took away our ways of life
The tomahawk and the bow and knife
Took away our native tongue
And taught their English to our young
And all the beads we made by hand
Are nowadays made in Japan

Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe
So proud to live, so proud to die

They took the whole Indian nation
Locked us on this reservation
Though I wear a shirt and tie
I’m still part redman deep inside

Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe
So proud to live, so proud to die

But maybe someday when they learn
Cherokee nation will return, will return, will return, will return,
will return

9/4/2010 5:18:15 PM

#1202702

Brianisha

As a Native American Pagan, I would say you are no longer a Native American. Begone! I never knew you!

9/4/2010 5:50:35 PM

#1202708

The Duelist

This is so sad, that this Native American had been indoctrinated against his own culture and heritage. Remind me again why Christianity is such a *good* religion?

[EDIT] Or he may be a fake. There is no depth to which Christian apologists won't sink.

9/4/2010 6:16:28 PM

#1202710

God took this country and set it up to promote freedom of religion.

God did nothing of the sort. The founders knew the kind of problems caused by people arguing and killing each other over what each one "knew" some god or other wanted. So they tried to put a stop to it by saying "Believe whatever you want - just don't try to pester other people with it by getting the government involved." We have freedom of religion specifically because we didn't let somebody's version of God get involved with our government.

9/4/2010 6:20:04 PM

#1202717

Daniel

As an actual American Indian, i find it hard to believe you are really one as well.

9/4/2010 6:28:49 PM

#1202720

Javascap

I call troll on this one.

9/4/2010 6:34:06 PM

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