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Look at it this way, the people that conquered this land use the sword and gun to subjagate the Native populations, this method was an engine of the devil, this is the negative part. What made it positive it bought Christianity to Native Americans. Slavery for Black people is a stain on the honor and integrity of the U.S.A. but it's redeeming value was that primitive Black people were exposed to the Truth and many became Christians, remember Islam enslaved them. Now the beneficiaries were the subsequent generations of this nation, compare the opportunies and standard of life that Americans of African decent have to pure Africans. Remember also that Indians had to survive in an ever progressive country, they had not the vision of the future or they would have bowed down and the U.S. government only kept a promise to the benefit of itself and this was called progress.But to grasp the importance of this is to see what this world is about.

Don, Yahoo! Answers 47 Comments [9/5/2010 7:35:41 PM]
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Diogene's Barrel

The same people who killed the Indians and enslaved the Africans justified it by claiming that it brought 'primitive' people the word of god.
True Fact: the emblem of the mayflower had an Indian with inscription 'come help me' on it.

9/5/2010 7:39:30 PM

shadkat

Ooh, unfortunate implications ahoy!

9/5/2010 7:41:36 PM

moose

Hey wait a minute....didnt Matt Salmon a couple of post back talk about how Gawd instituted slavery? And it was a good thing? I suppose if you enslave heathens for christ then it is the proper way that gawd meant to have slaves. Great conversion plan. It all makes sense to me now....

9/5/2010 7:45:18 PM

Musicalbookworm

Oooh, racist and dumb.

9/5/2010 8:03:43 PM

Hasher

"Christian" slave-owners and traders used the Bible to justify their evil actions.


9/5/2010 8:04:37 PM

Zeus Almighty

Shorter Don: Slavery and genocide are really, really bad, except when they're done in the name of Bible-god. In which case they're good. Or something.

9/5/2010 8:06:26 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Huh? They were mass murdered and enslaved and had The Jeebus put upon them and that was the good part?
Sorry, Donny, but there are those among us who hardly see xtianity as a redeeming feature. It's insult added to injury, and it's the gift that keeps on giving. Like V.D.

9/5/2010 8:23:12 PM

Horsefeathers

"Look at it this way, the people that conquered this land use the sword and gun to subjagate the Native populations, this method was an engine of the devil, this is the negative part."

I thought they were supposed to have been doing "God's Work" or some shit.

"What made it positive it bought Christianity to Native Americans."

They already had a perfectly good religion, so far as such things go. Certainly no worse than Christianity.

"Slavery for Black people is a stain on the honor and integrity of the U.S.A. but it's redeeming value was that primitive Black people were exposed to the Truth and many became Christians, remember Islam enslaved them."

Again, "primitive black people," as you call them, already had perfectly serviceable religions of their own. They didn't need yours.

"Now the beneficiaries were the subsequent generations of this nation, compare the opportunies and standard of life that Americans of African decent have to pure Africans."

That's not really the point, now is it?

"Remember also that Indians had to survive in an ever progressive country, they had not the vision of the future or they would have bowed down and the U.S. government only kept a promise to the benefit of itself and this was called progress."

Given what I know of Native American culture as a whole, I doubt seriously they would have "bowed down" to anyone. Invaded people in general don't do such.

"But to grasp the importance of this is to see what this world is about."

Kiss my ass.

9/5/2010 8:27:45 PM

Allegory for Jesus

So you see, it doesn't matter if it is morally wrong, because converting people to Christianity in the process totally justifies everything! Christian morality for the win!

9/5/2010 9:08:35 PM



The African slaves were not backward. The slaveers only thought so because the Africans spoke and wrote in languages that the slavers did not know. There were a large number of Muslims who were brought to the US as slaves. Yes, African Muslims. There are reports of them writing the entire Quran in Arabic, but because the slavers were ignorant retards, it seemed like gibberish to them. Islam hadnt enslaved Africa, Islam was part of the slaves that were brought to America.

http://vodpod.com/watch/2722587-muslims-in-american-history-a-forgotten-legacy

http://www.themuslimwoman.com/chooseyourpath/muslimsbeforecolumbus.htm

http://www.sunnah.org/history/precolmb.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uGv7l_T5KM

http://muslimwiki.com/mw/index.php/Native_Americans_and_Islam

9/5/2010 9:11:02 PM



Yep, Slavery for jayzus.

These fucks find justification to pretty much everythin'.

9/5/2010 10:25:15 PM

WMDKitty

Oh, the genocide we perpetrated was horrible, but it was all FOR TEH GLO-REEE of JAY-ZUSSS! *gag*

9/5/2010 10:31:16 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Taking up the white man's burden and bringing civilization to the ignorant darkies? Is that SERIOUSLY your argument here?

9/5/2010 11:36:36 PM

Dan Onymous

So....kill and enslave who you want, as long as you give their descendants Bibles...?

9/6/2010 2:30:08 AM



"Islam enslaved them."

...The fact you ca...Don't you thi...But it was th...OH FUCK THE FUCK OFF.

9/6/2010 2:50:16 AM

Justanotheratheist

Murder, steal, rape, enslave - all good and dandy, in the name of God.

You should try being on the receiving end. You might be a little less smug about the whole miserable process.

9/6/2010 2:53:40 AM



Or maybe it made them reject Christianity outright because they identified their opressors with it(see Nations of Islam or syncretism)

9/6/2010 3:47:25 AM

aaa

So, being an asshole to others is perfectly fine if it results in new converts.

9/6/2010 5:37:17 AM

Berny

Quite the grasp of history you have there, Don. Too bad you learned from people who fed you a steady diet of bullshit and none of what you know is actually true.

9/6/2010 7:03:15 AM

TGRwulf

Islam enslaved the black people before the civil war? What the FUCK are you on???

Oh and fuck you for calling the subjigation(sp?) and near genocide of an entire people "progress". What's next Hitler? (I know "Godwin" but I couldn't help it.)

9/6/2010 7:10:48 AM

Thinking Allowed

Wow, someone failed at history.

9/6/2010 8:57:18 AM



What kind of fucked up lens are you looking at history through?

9/6/2010 8:59:34 AM

dionysus

So anything is justified so long as it ends up converting people to Christianity? Now that's a dangerous line of reasoning. It's the kind of reasoning that leads to atrocities and it's sickening that you don't see those atrocities as atrocities.

9/6/2010 9:50:09 AM

freako104

This sounds fucking racist, and it sounds like he justified slavery

9/6/2010 10:34:38 AM

John

Yeah, and don't forget, if Hitler hadn't killed all those Jews, they wouldn't have gotten Israel back. Well, OK, the ones who were killed didn't get anything - but a whole bunch of others did. [/sarcasm]

9/6/2010 10:44:02 AM
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