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Turn your eye to Christian countries in Africa then come back and say that.
9/6/2010 7:20:14 PM
refuter of fundy vermin
'Conservative Christians kill 50 on Army base'
Maybe not 50, but they HAVE killed:
4 - abortion doctors (James Kopp, Michael Griffin, Paul Hill, Scott Roeder)
2 - abortion clinic receptionists/other workers (John Salvi)
1 - bodyguard for a doctor (Paul Hill)
3 - security guards/innocent bystanders (Eric Rudolph)
DON'T FUCKING CLAIM fundy Christians don't commit murder.
9/6/2010 8:19:42 PM
@ Refuter of Fundy Vermin
Don't forget David Gunn. He was killed too. And I thought Eric Roudolph's bomb only killed one person? It has been a long time since I read any articles on that attack though
9/6/2010 10:12:44 PM
Buddhist.. car bomb?
9/6/2010 10:19:04 PM
So what this thread has taught me is that some people need to work on their reading comprehension. This guy is saying that these religions don't go around killing people. His whole (stupid, ill-informed) point is that Islam is the anomalous exception to religion being non-violent. So all of the people who went "Buddhists car-bombed somebody? citation needed" need to fucking learn to read.
Yes, this does actually annoy me more than the OP. He at least has a reason for being dumb (i.e. he is a fundamentalist christian, and was probably raised as such). What's your excuse?
9/7/2010 1:34:58 AM
Buddhist car bombs?
Yes, let's make an example for a religion that is entirely about peace and doing things the 'right' way.
9/7/2010 3:15:13 AM
9/7/2010 4:58:48 AM
This guy should read "Buda's Wagon"
9/7/2010 1:06:35 PM
No child care centers, per se, but the "radical Zionists" didn't exactly have clean hands. Look up Irgun and Lehi...but I'm willing to bet you'd look up to them as "freedom fighters." How about Catholics and Protestants turning Belfast into a war zone for thirty years?
For the record, none of these were done because of religion...they had other--political--causes. That goes for Muslims too.
Repeat after me: Religion doesn't make you kill people...religion makes killing people easier.
9/7/2010 7:16:05 PM
@Blasphemia: People learn a certain amount, and then think they know everything. For most of Muslim history, the serious scriptural punishments (hudud) went unadministered in most cases, even when those cases came before the religious arbiters.
Because the scholars who defined the actual nature of Islam for all those hundreds of years considered them too brutal under most circumstances, and commuted them to more reasonable things in consideration of repentance or (more often) didn't do anything because the ridiculously strict proof demands weren't met, and the nasty criminal case went to secular authorities.
It's only now that people not classically trained in the law have started running around trying to apply the book without its cultural history, and throwing in other personal cultural history that has nothing to do with the book (i.e., fundies) that things have gotten remarkably nasty.
The attempt to establish modern single-code law systems while still keeping the traditional blessing of religious law has generally not gone smoothly. The old compromise has been invalidated, but acceptable and functional new ones are hard to come by. Holding onto the seventh century without an awareness of the intervening centuries makes a mess, but the modern world can't accept dual or treble legal power centers, and most Muslim communities are emotionally unable to accept the idea of voluntarily declining to live formally under God's law when they have to power to do so. Unstoppably force, meet immovable object. Of antimatter.
It's really not that Islam is violent as religions go. It's that they've got a higher than normal number of crazy fundies in power at this stage of history.
9/7/2010 11:32:46 PM
XD Re extremist Buddhist monk terrorists, I can think of a fictional one of whom I'm rather fond. The government burned down his orphanage with the kids inside, so he trained until he had awesome sonic-punch superpowers and joined an evil rebellion for revenge. He's very vague about his religion for the nonce, though, despite holding onto its trappings, and he repents eventually.
There have been combat-trained outlaw Buddhist monks in the real-world past, though, so it's probable at least ONE of them killed people he totally shouldn't have. Human nature.
9/7/2010 11:34:10 PM
What religion(s) committed crimes in former Yugoslavia? What religion committed crimes in Rwanda?
9/8/2010 8:39:14 AM
That's because you spend your day watching Fox News.
9/9/2010 1:27:07 PM
About.com has some info on Buddhist terrorism:
"The edict not to kill or inflict pain on others is integral to Buddhist thought. Periodically, however, Buddist monks have encouraged violence or initiated it. The primary example in the 20th and 21st century is in Sri Lanka, where Sinhala Buddhist groups have committed and encouraged violence against local Christians and Tamils. The leader of Aum Shinrikyo, a Japanese cult that committed a lethal sarin gas attack in the mid-1990s, drew on Buddhist as well as Hindu ideas to justify his beliefs."
9/9/2010 1:32:02 PM
What?? Crusades anyone?? Inquisition?? Salem Witch Trials?? All Christians.
9/10/2010 2:07:34 PM
PhoenixUltima, stop that.
I didn't say the idiot accused Buddhists of doing it, I was pointing out that it's a retarded example.
9/12/2010 11:57:09 AM
Wait, since none of the cases above has actually happened involving muslims, care to explain which bullshit you're spewing?
9/13/2010 3:01:52 AM
However, we do hear about fanatical Christians bombing abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors though, don't we?
9/13/2010 10:59:40 AM
radical Zionists committed acts of terorism. What about the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1947 which killed British troops? What about the assassination of Folke Bernadotte (a UN mediator) by the Stern gang?
3/12/2011 2:02:40 AM
"I believe the Survey is rigged"
Or maybe, the TV shows that you watch are rigged to make you scared enough to agree with everything the Good Guys say or do.
3/12/2011 2:15:41 AM
I think we can just truncate this statement to "Most of religion has its violent moments". The sole difference between a Christian wannabe-Taliban and an actual Islamist Taliban member is that the Xian member is still chained by secular law. They'd both blow you up, shoot you, or stone you to death over a perceived slight to skydaddy, given the chance. The sole difference is in what they call their Abrahamic god, and the name of their "holy" book.
3/12/2011 12:48:48 PM
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