Andy Schlafly #fundie

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Essay: Quantifying Vulnerability to Atheism

We quantify intelligence, health, athletic skills and even musical talent. But more important than those, especially for teenagers, is the vulnerability to atheism. A simply test can quantify one's vulnerability to atheism:

1. Do you frame arguments in terms of what is best for you, as opposed to others?
2. Do you spend more time thinking about yourself than volunteering for others?
3. Do you deny equal time to the Bible?
4. Do you oppose allowing classroom prayer even when everyone in the classroom wants to pray together?
5. Do you think atheists have achieved more intellectually than non-atheists?
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If your score (or the score of a loved one) is "yes" on more than half of the questions, then you (or a loved one) is highly vulnerable to atheism. Beware of the depression and anxiety that typically follows.

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old comment by Serph-no-Okami

1. No I don't think I do actually. I try to think in terms broader then "myself and only myself", it's called empathy.
2. If counting thinking about my future, then... No not even then actually, since my education is somewhat aimed at helping others by doing something I enjoy doing.
3. I wouldn't deny it time equal to time dedicated to the Torah, Koran, and all the other nice little books people love to claim as undisputed truth. But that's not what you lot want to hear, right?
4. No I don't. I oppose mandating prayer in class, even if only one student doesn't want to. If you want to pray, pray. Don't force others (you know, like your Jesus said).
5. Not necessary, but only because atheism as it exists today (in the outspoken way) is fairly new, so it's hard to compare from a historical perspective. But when it comes to fundamentalists vs. non-fundies then yes, the normal people have the lead by far.

So I'm not vulnerable to atheism despite being atheist (and always being attracted to atheism) and yet I myself and even other people often say that I'm practically immune to depression and anxiety because of my outlook on life. Go figure.

old comment by TGRwulf

1- Mirror, mirror.
2- Not all atheists are greedy bastards like you Andy. If you knew how much money is donated by rich atheists every year you'ld probably have a heart attack.
3- Um, if you're an atheist you don't believe in the bible numb-nutz.
4- Prayer has never been banned from schools, only school LED prayer, because that breaches seperation of church and state.
5- Um, no actually. There are plenty of theists or deists (Albert Einstein for example) who've done groundbreaking things. "Science knows not religion" as I've once heard it put.

Also, I'm an atheist and I'm usually very happy and quite hyper thank you very much.

Sorry Andy, try again?

old comment by dionysus

1) Nope. Quite the opposite actually.

2) Nope. In fact, I've been told by others that I need to take care of myself a little more and learn how to say no to some help requests so I don't wear myself out.

3) Equal time? Where? In biology class? Then yes. For the same reason I deny equal time to astrology in physics class.

4) Yes and no. I don't support teacher lead prayer but if every other student wants to get together before class and waste their time talking to an imaginary man then I'm not going to stop them. After all, it's their right.

5) Nope. Religious people are in the majority and as such we expect them to have more contributions. It's simple matter of proportion.

If your score (or the score of a loved one) is "yes" on more than half of the questions, then you (or a loved one) is highly vulnerable to atheism.

Odd, I said "yes" to less than half of them and I'm an atheist.

Beware of the depression and anxiety that typically follows.

Oh, sorry, I don't recall any depression. Must have missed that part. Oh well.

old comment by Justanotheratheist

1. Sometimes, certainly not always. That's normal, stop pretending that you're a fucking saint.
2. Same answer.
3. I give the Bible the same time as I give the Stockholm telephone directory. I live in South Africa - you work it out.
4. If everyone voluntarily (and I mean voluntarily) wants to, that's fine by me. However, the risk of peer pressure suggests that it's better that they don't pray. Aside from the fact that prayer is meaningless, why do you have to pray as a group? Can't God take more than one message at a time.
5. No. However, their achievements are very often in no way linked to their beliefs.

And I am neither anxious nor depressed, thank you very much. Try again, Andy.

old comment by Her3tiK

1. Do you frame arguments in terms of what is best for you, as opposed to others?
How does one phrase arguments for things like universal health care, less religious killings, homophobia, and racism in a way that's only beneficial to themselves?
2. Do you spend more time thinking about yourself than volunteering for others?
Why is volunteering the only way to help other people?
3. Do you deny equal time to the Bible?
I give it the same amount of time you give the Qu'ran
4. Do you oppose allowing classroom prayer even when everyone in the classroom wants to pray together?
If I'm part of said class, how can everyone want to pray?
5. Do you think atheists have achieved more intellectually than non-atheists?
They've got nothing keeping them from pondering difficult questions in terms other than "did god do this?", so yes.

Christ, you're an idiot.

old comment by christian leftie

1. Nope.
2. Nope.
3. Deny? Not literally, bu I suspect in the implications of teh writer, probably. This is a poorly worded question. Also , I doubt Mr Schlafly would count the Nag Hammadi Codex, so I'll go for an overall "yes" to the implied question.
4. I do. If the pupils are in the classroom, they're there to learn. If they want to pray together in the playground off their own back, all the more power to them.
4. I think religion is irrelevant in this sphere. Given that the questions are either/or, I'll go for "yes" as I disagree with the implied question.

So, as a Christian, my beliefs make me vulnerable to Atheism.

Of course, this is where the likes of Schlafly think they're speaking for all Christianity and anyone disagreeing isn't really a Christian.

old comment by Allegory for Jesus

1. No. I make decisions based on what is best for me while also considering what is best for others because ultimately the latter can result in the former .
2. Yes. Show me a person who claims otherwise and I'll show you a person who is lying. Especially since "thinking" is easier and a more frequent occurrence than action in general, let alone a specific one like "volunteering".
3. What does this even mean?
4. Yes, in that the classroom is for learning, and that this prayer could not be conducted by the teacher. No, in that if it was done before class formally started and the students conducted it themselves, it should be perfectly acceptable.
5. No, they have not achieved more. It is simply that atheism is the more justifiable position. That is all.

As for anxiety and depression: I've had that since before I even knew anything at all about religion. And God only knows that someone famous for obsessively working on a website that brings only shame to the people whose religious and political positions he shares shouldn't be the one to start throwing stones on the matter of mental disorders.

old comment by Sarah

We quantify intelligence, health, athletic skills and even musical talent. But more important than those, especially for jerks, is the vulnerability to fundamentalism. A simply test can quantify one's vulnerability to fundamentalism:

1. Do you frame arguments in terms of claims you pulled out your ass, as opposed to actual facts?
2. Do you spend more time thinking about how people different from you are evil than helping all people?
3. Do you deny equal time to evidence-supported arguments that don't happen to fit your prepackaged worldview?
4. Do you force people to pray when they don't want to?
5. Do you think making up thin rationalizations for belief in your god is a bigger intellectual achievement than discovering how new species come into being?
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If your score (or the score of a loved one) is "yes" on more than half of the questions, then you (or a loved one) is highly vulnerable to fundamentalism. Beware of the stupidity and meanness that typically follows.

old comment by Swede

Too bad your brain is not vulnerable to correct spelling.

1. No, I try to find the one which is best for the highest amount of people, even if it doesn't include me.
2. Thinking about myself? Why would I be doing that?
3. Equal time to what? Studying the Koran?
4. Classroom time is for education, not prayers. The kids can all pray in the school-yard before class, if they want to.
5. Yes. Rational people tend to use their intellect more, religious people use their imagination more.

Just two "yes", then. Guess I'm not vulnerable to atheism.
How many years after becoming an atheist does this depression and anxiety occur? I've been an agnostic for most of my life.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Essay: Quantifying Vulnerability to Right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity

We quantify intelligence, health, athletic skills and even musical talent. But more important than those, especially for teenagers, is the vulnerability to fundieism. A simple test can quantify one's vulnerability to fundieism:

1. Do you frame arguments in terms of what is best for you, as opposed to the logic and facts of others?
2. Do you spend more time thinking about yourself than volunteering for others*?
3. Do you deny equal time to Dawkins' "The God Delusion"?
4. Do you force classroom prayer even when not everyone in the classroom wants to pray together?
5. Do you think Andy Schaftafly have achieved more intellectually than atheists?
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*- George Clooney organised a fundraising telethon - totalling $300 million - to help Haiti. Has Andy Schaftafly done anything remotely equalling this? PROTIP: George Clooney is an Atheist.

If your score (or the score of a loved one) is "yes" on more than half of the questions, then you (or a loved one) is highly vulnerable to Fundieism. Beware of the depression, anxiety, egotism, closed-mindedness (especially when presented by the incontravertable facts that contradict everything you say, do and think), and overblown sense of self-importance that typically follows.

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The phrase 'Shiny, shiny mirror' exists for a reason Andy Schaftafly, you cunt-for-brains.

old comment by Rapax Pringer

1. Don't you guys do that all the time? And no.
2. Well, thinking is a more frequent event tham volunteering, but I do donate from time-to-time, provided I have the money.
3. Lolwhut?
4. If everyone wants to pray, that's fine with me. However, if you're going to FORCE me and everyone to pray, then I'll kindly get the fuck out of the class.
5. Hard to really say, but considering modern times, I'd have to say yes.

Huh. So I'm atheist. WOAHWHUT. Atheists are supposed to be unhappy and depressed? Wowzers, I am doing it completely wrong!

But seriously, Assfly. Not all atheists are depressed. We're pretty content with our lives. It's asshats like you who are making it hell for everyone. Not just us.

old comment by The Duelist

1. Do you eternally recycle the same fairy tales over and over to defend your views?
2. Do you fantasize over mental images of your enemies being burned and tortured for all eternity?
3. Do you read and believe the Bible to be the literal Truth?
4. Do you demand that classroom prayer be mandatory, even when everyone else doesn't want to pray(90% of the time)?
5. Do you think that Fundamentalists are more intellectually advanced than atheists?
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If you answered "yes" to more than half of the questions, then you(or a loved one) is highly naive and gullible, and vulnerable to Fundamentalism. Take care to protect yourself(or a loved one) from the bite of a Fombie(undead, retarded Fundamentalist), as sustaining this injury will rot your brain and render you impervious to logic, reason, and reality(plus, you'll be driven to feast upon the brains of non-Fombies).

old comment by Berny

1. No, I have empathy.
2. Since it benefits me to aid others in the long term, I spend enough time ensuring this.
3. The Bible gets enough airtime from morons like you. I don't give it the time of day since I read the damned thing. It deserves nothing more.
4. If you mean teacher led prayer and mandatory, you already know the answer to that one, Assfly.
5. Nonsensical question since you stack the deck with scientists who lived before our origins were more clearly defined by recent discoveries (Newton for example).
As to your blanked statement that atheists are more prone to depression and anxiety, I would as for citation on that. I'm pretty sure Christians get depressed and anxious too, and often about stupid non-existent crap like the End times.

old comment by The L

1. Most atheists aren't stupid enough to ignore how their actions will affect others.

2. Pretty much everybody does, atheist or otherwise. At that, how many of us volunteer because it makes us feel good to help others?

3. Ironically, most non-Christians I've met have read more than one religion's holy book--giving equal time to the Bible, the Koran, the Mahabharata, etc.

4. Teacher-led prayer isn't about "letting students pray," it's about a teacher forcing his/her ideas of what prayer should be onto the students. If students want to pray, there are plenty of student-led prayer groups and Christian organizations in our nation's public schools.

5. No, but only because there are fewer atheists than theists. An atheist is equally as capable of changing the world as a theist.

old comment by I read about the afterlife

"1. Do you frame arguemnts in terms of waht is best for you, as opposed to others?"

Nope.

"2. Do you spend more time thinking about yourself than volunteering for others?"

Nope.

"3. Do you deny equal time to the Bible?"

In what? A Science class, absolutely. A Religious studies class? No.

"4. Do you oppose classroom prayer even when everyone int he classroom wants to pray together?"

If they ALL want to pray together, fine by me. But if someone doesn't want to pray in class -- they shouldn't have to.

"5. Do you think atheists have achieved more intellectually than non-atheists?"

Not necessarily than "non-atheists" but more like "followers of the Abrahamic religions."

Wow, so I scored 1.5 on your little test. I guess I'm not vulnerable to atheism. Weird how I am an atheist.

Oh and guess who's not depressed?! ME!

old comment by Brendan Rizzo

1. Do you frame arguments in terms of what is best for you, as opposed to others? No.
2. Do you spend more time thinking about yourself than volunteering for others? No.
3. Do you deny equal time to the Bible? Do you? You don't play by the rules, because unless you go through peer-review, "equal time" is non-applicable to science classrooms.
4. Do you oppose allowing classroom prayer even when everyone in the classroom wants to pray together? I oppose institutionalizing it and forcing people to go along against their will. I also oppose people who want to pray privately being forbidden from doing so.
5. Do you think atheists have achieved more intellectually than non-atheists? Mu.

old comment by GigaGuess

1. Do you frame arguments in terms of what is best for you, as opposed to others?
You mean like saying that homosexuality is bad because you say so, or saying that Evolution must be false because it states that a rock farted, and we appeared. Wow, yes, that's totally something only we do, ever.

2. Do you spend more time thinking about yourself than volunteering for others?
Granted, I could be more active and volunteer...however the largest transparent charities are atheist driven. What have you done?

3. Do you deny equal time to the Bible?
I deny equal time to the Bible in the same way I deny equal time to Alchemy, the Stork Theory or Intelligent Falling.

4. Do you oppose allowing classroom prayer even when everyone in the classroom wants to pray together?
If a kid wants to pray, s/he is free to, quietly and to him/herself. You say everyone wants to...how can you know that? What about the ones who don't, but are pressured bvy the fact that the majority do, and just want to fit in? But that's what you want, isn't it? The kids to bow to your whims, and those that do not stand out so they can be ostracized, yes?

5. Do you think atheists have achieved more intellectually than non-atheists?
Nah. I'm pretty sure the scoreboard is more or less equal on discoveries and developments by believers and nonbelievers, but could be wrong. However, the Church has been a major suppressor of scientific advancement for a while.

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