Natural sexual activity are those acts between an adult male (preferably 25 years of age or older with reasonable financial stability and maturity) and a female who has reached an age of sufficient maturity to responsibly bear children as God wills (husband and his wife).
Procreation may not by intent be excluded whether by natural means or artificial means. Scriptural limits are set upon the days of a woman's cycle when sexual intercourse is permissible. Probable fertility occurs at the beginning of the permissible duration for moral intercourse as shown in the story of Bathsheba's pregnancy.
All focused ejaculations of a human male must be deposited within the vagina of a mature human female. The activity may not have been intentionally rendered infertile either by the male or the female. A woman may only receive sperm from a human male in the approved natural manner. All other two party (human or lower animal) sexual activity wherein one or both participants are human is condemned as unnatural. All sexual activity between near relatives or where one is a minor is condemned even if otherwise considered as natural.
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From further into the article:
Direct and Indirect Sterilization:
All permanent and temporary acts that remove or limit the possibility of procreation are morally to be considered as acts rendering otherwise natural acts to be acts of sodomy. In effect any act opposed to the initial command of God to "be fertile and multiply" is a sodomite act.
My wife had a medically necessary hysterectomy - does this nutter imply we are committing sodomy every time we make love?
Aside from the idiocy of having a (presumably) chaste person teaching about sex, the whole site reads like it was written during Jack Chick's Peyote-induced homosexual hangover
"My wife had a medically necessary hysterectomy - does this nutter imply we are committing sodomy every time we make love? "
Yes. Once you knew she was infertile, you should have divorced her and married a fertile young woman.
All sex is filthy and sinful, without exception. We, as Christians, are required to have procreative sex, to 'be fruitful and multiply' - that is, God has commanded us to defile ourselves with sin, in order to demonstrate the vileness of our human nature. It only makes sense for someone who loves God to set up rules that emphasize this - no sex when a woman is infertile, pregnant, post-menopausal, or in the wrong part of her cycle - so that the physical and spiritual contamination might be minimized.
Oh ye of little faith! If there were really an omnipotent god who wants people to procreate like rabbits on speed, there would be no birth control bill powerful enough, no device strong enough, no condom thick enough to prevent it.
All focused ejaculations of a human male must be deposited within the vagina of a mature human female.
And god help you if a single drop or even a single sperm somehow finds its way out. Because...
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.
Also, I don't want the government interfering with my life.
Also in the original website:
The facts are well known by both men and women, but it seems that in contemporary society only Muslims continue to deal with this natural condition of life in any meaningful manner.
He wants to do it the heathen muslim way?
"All focused ejaculations of a human male must be deposited within the vagina of a mature human female."
So you waited until you were at least 25 and married before you even had an orgasm? Or are you just a massive, fucking deluded hypocrite?
Why is it that people would deny themselves and preferably others as well, one of the most basic instincts imprinted into our very being, which would be akin to demanding people forego eating, drinking or sleeping until some arbitrary age limit?
And is it wrong to think this mentality would go away by giving these people a taste of true, passionate, hot sex?
You know, according to Christianity, this is how sex should work. So, if a "Christian" does anything that goes beyond husband-on-wife-penis-into-vagina-baby-making-only, he or she has no right to condemn anyone else for sexual immorality. Or call themselves a true to the bible Christian.
And remember to not enjoy sex too much. Because if you really enjoy it, God will make your offspring have birth defects.
What God really wants is for people to have awkward, embarrassing, and unenjoyable sex with only one person for the rest of their lives.
the gift of sex-a guide to sexual fulfillment
by clifford and joyce penner
"the sexual experience is that intimate expression of our total being-physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual... if you are a couple interested in learning all you can about the god-given gift of sexuality, to enhance your sexual life, this book is for you." ...these guys must be protestants...
Sex is evil, perverse, loathesome, and disgusting, and you should save it for the one you love.
What about the age and reasonable financial stability of the woman?
Hubby and me where just 18 when we got together. I had slightly more "financial stability" than he did. Maybe those two issues is why God didn't see fit let us "bear children as God wills (husband and his wife)". Or maybe because we waited ten years before we married. Or maybe because both of us did that "intentionally rendered infertile".
My FSM, who speaks like that in real life?
By Jove, your world is small and boxed in, David. If that's how you want to live your life; fine. Just don't force your limited humanism onto others.
Git!
I guess this is why so many "fathers" have been stuffing their dicks in little boys asses, huh?
For fucks sake - who in their right mind would take advise on sex from someone who starts his name with "father"? You would have to be totally retarded.
"a female who has reached an age of sufficient maturity to responsibly bear children as God wills"
So you'd be willing to marry a 25-year-old man to a 16-year-old girl, despite this being statutory rape? You view the female's role in the marriage as being primarily to bear children, with all other considerations secondary? You're a sick man.
Of course, you're Catholic, so you view sex as evil anyway.
Ah, "where one is a minor" disclaimer, got it. Of course, you'd be willing to marry her off as soon as she hit 18, wouldn't you?
why are you so obsessed with other people's sex lives, which are none of your damn business?
I'll have sex whenever I please, with whichever consenting adult I feel like having sex with thanks very much.
Well, that last sentence actually made sense... Reading it felt like finding this on somebody's math homework:
"aweiofnaiowefn ioawenfaoefnuail ejawkfenuaief nejakwfleajuf ajfewf a^2 + b^2 = c^2."
Hmmm...
I'm going to have to click on "No, I don't accept" on this TOS agreement.
Also, you must be the worst lay in recorded history...
I percive there's a obvious avoidance of the girls age. Because you really need a reason ( you're under ten in intelligence for one) to have sex with with an underage girl.
And your religion(if it's nutbar evangelist fundamentist breed) gives you an excuse for that child-molesting deviance.
Wow.. so women are nothing more than sperm receptacles and then walking incubators.
Again, a priest discussing sexuality is like a blind person discussing colors. Just doesn't work.
Nah, Nowonmai, blind people are allowed to discuss colors, although if they were born blind it's a pretty abstract proposition no matter how interested they are. If they weren't born blind it's even sadder. Priests are not deprived of sexuality. They reject it. It's another thing altogether. Don't be unfair to the blind.
Oh dear another sedevaticanist. In other words one not in compliance with Rome as is. Just an FYI, this does not reflect sexuality guidlines laid down by the church. We are supposed to have intercourse at some point during sexual activity, so as not to prohibit life, but.....we can have sex any time during the month and day of the week year etc, unless we have briefly for some reason are in prayer/have been chaste for some reason but that is between the couple and God
Natural...natural...natural...(un)natural...natural
You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
And make sure to ONLY have sex when the woman is fertile, and DON'T YOU DARE ENJOY IT! </sarcasm>
Yeah... NO.
And what the hell is "lower animal" sexual activity?
Father, I do believe that thou can go fuck yourself.
Just so you can notice the unatural trait of fucking yourself, preferably pushing that head back to your ass.
Dear Father David,
If you seriously believe that 99.99% of the human race is going to pay the blindest bit of attention to the absolute crap you have written, you are an even bigger dickhead than we already imagined. I respectfully suggest that you get a life, and that you mind your own business.
Thank you,
A Normal Bloke.
P.S. Now fuck off.
Right, because reasonable financial stability is the NATURAL prerequisite to sex.
Oh, and nobody gives two shits about what you think about how they're having sex, and I really hope that pisses you off.
Also, if you're past menopause, NO SEX. If it's determined that one or both partners is infertile, NO SEX. If you don't get pregnant EVERY SINGLE TIME you have sex, you're doing something wrong and God is mad at you. If you have sex while you're pregnant, you're a disgusting person for not giving those sperm a chance to make a baby.
This is one of many reasons why I left the Catholic Church--people who've never had sex have no business telling other people how to have sex. The ONLY part I agree with in the entire diatribe is the last sentence.
@AnonCat: Yes, but only if all the semen ends up inside the vagina. Other forms of sex are only allowed for foreplay, as specified by our celibate "friends" in the Vatican, themselves.
I notice this guy is careful to condemn incest and sex with minors, but apparently doesn't believe it's necessary to specify that both parties to the sex be consenting.
Since he's spent so much time describing to us very carefully how we should be having sex, I guess this means he thinks rape is a-ok - as long as a fertile man is raping a fertile woman, of course (or vice versa).
The Catholic Encyclopedia claims Mary was between twelve and fourteen years old when she married the widower Joseph. Joseph had previously married Melcha (or Escha, or Salome) at the age of forty, they'd lived forty-nine years together and had two daughters and four sons. Joseph married Mary a year after his first wife's death.
So Mary was (at an average) 13 years old, Joseph (again averaging) 90 at the time of their wedding. Exactly how does that fit with Trosch's thoughts on the will of God?
In this post you support:
-Pedophilia
-Treatment of women as mere objects of procreation
And you find that more moral than:
-Masturbation
-Birth Control
You're a real winner.
Sod this, I want to know more about 'the two party (human or lower animal) sexual activity wherein one or both participants are human. . .' that is condemned as unnatural.
Is this this person's way of condemning gay love?
They don't know what day it is when it comes to real human emotions, do they? Too obsessed with their ancient writings.
Now try reading your book of fairy tales with the mindset of the ignorant primitives who wrote the thing.
They lacked the germ theory of disease and a clear concept of cause and effect.
To them, the idea of unhealthiness, impurity and sinfulness were all one fuzzy conflated concept. Which is how various sexual activities, storks and shelfish came to be called sinful.
But nowadays we know what causes sexual impurity. It's bacteria. We can show them to you under a microscope. Or viruses. We can demonstrate them under an electron microscope. We can extract them, cultivate them, crystalise them, thaw them, and pass them from one creature to another by injection and still create the same impurity.
The superstitious shamans whose myths you prize so much had no access to modern science. Their ignorance was excusable. You do, and your ignorance is not.
@ solomangrundy
Your report of the Catholic Enclylopedia surprised me, so I had a look at it. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm
It clearly states that these stories are apocryphal, which is theological-speak for fanfic, not original cannon.
It's not Catholic teaching from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It clearly states that these stories are apocryphal
What was apocryphal and what wasn't was decided at the whim of the Council of Nicaea. These are still regarded as Christian writings. After all, Apocrypha are included in Catholic Bibles between the Old and New Testaments.
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<i>Father, I do believe that thou can go fuck yourself.</i>
I'm appalled by your language! It should be "thou <b>canst</b> fuck <b>thyself</b>"!
"Natural sexual activity are those acts between an adult male (preferably 25 years of age or older with reasonable financial stability...)"
Yes, let us follow Natural Law; let us imitate the wise and moral Grizzly Bear, who will not hump even the willingest sow until he's checked his 401K.
No wonder you fundies see the sex we gay guys have as being so hot, lurid, wild, and tempting.
It is compared to your boring and passionless idea of acceptable heterosexual sex...
Natural sexual activity are those acts between an adult male (preferably 25 years of age or older with reasonable financial stability and maturity) and a female who has reached an age of sufficient maturity to responsibly bear children as God wills (husband and his wife).
Niether of my parents fit those labels when they had me, yet we did just fine.
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In effect any act opposed to the initial command of God to "be fertile and multiply" is a sodomite act.
They're are seven BILLION people on this planet. I think we multiplied enough.
"Natural sexual activity are those acts between an adult male (preferably 25 years of age or older with reasonable financial stability and maturity) and a female who has reached an age of sufficient maturity to responsibly bear children as God wills (husband and his wife)."
WOW... he makes sure to mention ADULT male but purposefully does not mention ADULT female, making vague statements about the female's 'maturity' instead. Basically, 'Father' David seems to think that sex with a minor female is OK (provided she is 'fertile', of course).
"All other two party (human or lower animal) sexual activity wherein one or both participants are human is condemned as unnatural."
WTF is this supposed to mean?
"Approved natural manner" my pale white (hetero) ass!
To quote from a rap tune, "Baby, you and me we ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery channel."
This idiot says natural then starts putting rules on!
Natural.. is like the Discovery channel. Harsh truths here, kids, but critters like chimps, gorillas, and the like have NONE of the hangups this dweeb says are "Natural" or God's Will.
Man up and say "I hate you because you don't screw the way I like" or just STFU, Trosch!!
"All focused ejaculations of a human male must be deposited within the vagina of a mature human female."
95% of people masturbate. The other 5% are liars.
Is Father David trying to out-Catholicise his own Pope, Benedict XVI - formerly the head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (the cuddly, user-friendly name for the Inquisition - yes, that one; as in Torquemada, and all that jazz)?
...ah, but digging further, I see that David C. Trosch is a priest who has been all but excommunicated by the RCC - certainly penalised by such - for his extreme views against abortion.
Therefore disregard what he says, as he sucks cocks (in Hell! [/"The Exorcist"]).
So girls should be having babies at around 15 ( girls generally finish puberty just over 14)? Just wow. Actually girls can get pregnant earlier ( although young adolescent girls aren't very fertilize). Do realize that being pregnant under 15/16 is very dangerous for young girls, rigth? I guess not at first, but now you know.
@solomongrundy
I know your post is several years old, but that source isn't relieable. Matter of fact if you read it closely, you would have notice that Mary was 14-16 during the angel's visit. Proof?
concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm
As you can see Mary was betrothed to Joe around 12-14, but the Annunciation occurs two years later.
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